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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://contraries.net/with-ft-hood-response-obama-shows-his-is-no-leader-of-men/comment-page-1/#comment-13217</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops forgot the web site:

http://hillbuzz.org/2009/11/10/thank-you-former-president-george-w-bush-and-former-first-lady-laura-bush/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops forgot the web site:</p>
<p><a href="http://hillbuzz.org/2009/11/10/thank-you-former-president-george-w-bush-and-former-first-lady-laura-bush/" rel="nofollow">http://hillbuzz.org/2009/11/10/thank-you-former-president-george-w-bush-and-former-first-lady-laura-bush/</a></p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://contraries.net/with-ft-hood-response-obama-shows-his-is-no-leader-of-men/comment-page-1/#comment-13216</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This web site below is written by left wing dems who happen to be gay.  I didn&#039;t know that when it was referenced.  Never the less it&#039;s worth a read. There is nothing in the article about gays, or anything like that.  I think you would find it interesting.  I read a few of the comments, but there were over 700 so only read a few, but I was surprised that a site that obviously is a dem site, was so positive about the article.
I&#039;m beginning to believe things might change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This web site below is written by left wing dems who happen to be gay.  I didn&#8217;t know that when it was referenced.  Never the less it&#8217;s worth a read. There is nothing in the article about gays, or anything like that.  I think you would find it interesting.  I read a few of the comments, but there were over 700 so only read a few, but I was surprised that a site that obviously is a dem site, was so positive about the article.<br />
I&#8217;m beginning to believe things might change.</p>
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		<title>By: DOC</title>
		<link>http://contraries.net/with-ft-hood-response-obama-shows-his-is-no-leader-of-men/comment-page-1/#comment-13215</link>
		<dc:creator>DOC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ,
    Much of what you say here is very true it&#039;s very easy to be a monday morning Q.B.Now a days for our presidents with the lack of respect we show them your right no matter what he does one group of people or another is going to find fault.With that said your doing exactly what your complaining about here!Your comments about GW are no diffrent so shame on you!I will also say your right on about judging OB for the decisions he makes.My message to him is make the hard decisions stop trying to please everyone do what OB feels is right and most of all be proud to be an American!Right now I don&#039;t see that and therefor the comments that Kurt and others are making are justified and until he stands up makes the tough decisions and excepts responsibility he will be easy prey for both the left and right!You can&#039;t be looking backwards while troops are losing there lives and there should be nothing more important than the decision that is being put off daily. Time to be president OB not canidate OB!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ,<br />
    Much of what you say here is very true it&#8217;s very easy to be a monday morning Q.B.Now a days for our presidents with the lack of respect we show them your right no matter what he does one group of people or another is going to find fault.With that said your doing exactly what your complaining about here!Your comments about GW are no diffrent so shame on you!I will also say your right on about judging OB for the decisions he makes.My message to him is make the hard decisions stop trying to please everyone do what OB feels is right and most of all be proud to be an American!Right now I don&#8217;t see that and therefor the comments that Kurt and others are making are justified and until he stands up makes the tough decisions and excepts responsibility he will be easy prey for both the left and right!You can&#8217;t be looking backwards while troops are losing there lives and there should be nothing more important than the decision that is being put off daily. Time to be president OB not canidate OB!</p>
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		<title>By: J. T. Evans</title>
		<link>http://contraries.net/with-ft-hood-response-obama-shows-his-is-no-leader-of-men/comment-page-1/#comment-13213</link>
		<dc:creator>J. T. Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose if anyone were to do the visits with a proper tear in the eye and the requisite catch in the voice, Obama should be able to manage it. Every emotion he has is stage-managed. 
JJ, there is nothing in what I said that indicated that I think the United States is without fault. But I believe Obama took an oath of office to defend and protect the interests of THIS nation and its Constitution, not some other. He seems rather confused about what it is he has agreed to do, because he certainly is not doing it. 
And how is that so far, the nut cases on shooting sprees all come FROM Muslim communities and spray bullets elsewhere? Why are we worrying about a potential that has yet to manifest itself, and ignoring a phenomenon that has repeatedly taken the lives of innocent people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose if anyone were to do the visits with a proper tear in the eye and the requisite catch in the voice, Obama should be able to manage it. Every emotion he has is stage-managed.<br />
JJ, there is nothing in what I said that indicated that I think the United States is without fault. But I believe Obama took an oath of office to defend and protect the interests of THIS nation and its Constitution, not some other. He seems rather confused about what it is he has agreed to do, because he certainly is not doing it.<br />
And how is that so far, the nut cases on shooting sprees all come FROM Muslim communities and spray bullets elsewhere? Why are we worrying about a potential that has yet to manifest itself, and ignoring a phenomenon that has repeatedly taken the lives of innocent people?</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
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		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Jody, the big &quot;O&quot; has too many tv appearances, or basketball pick up games, or golf to go there.  Besides, the camera&#039;s were unavailable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Jody, the big &#8220;O&#8221; has too many tv appearances, or basketball pick up games, or golf to go there.  Besides, the camera&#8217;s were unavailable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody Neece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jody Neece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ex-President and Mrs. Bush managed to visit Fort Hood without publicity following the Fort Hood tragedy
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/07/george-w-bush-secretly-visits-fort-hood-victims/
Also visited the wounded in the hospital
http://cbs11tv.com/wireapnewstx/George.W.Bush.2.1298076.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ex-President and Mrs. Bush managed to visit Fort Hood without publicity following the Fort Hood tragedy<br />
<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/07/george-w-bush-secretly-visits-fort-hood-victims/" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/07/george-w-bush-secretly-visits-fort-hood-victims/</a><br />
Also visited the wounded in the hospital<br />
<a href="http://cbs11tv.com/wireapnewstx/George.W.Bush.2.1298076.html" rel="nofollow">http://cbs11tv.com/wireapnewstx/George.W.Bush.2.1298076.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kurt,
Would you prefer he do it with a tear in his eye and a proper catch in his voice?  

For too many years we have had our emotions played until we have become afraid of our own shadows.  Emotions in times of crisis are far less successful than cold, calculated thinking and response.  Time will tell as we see how his actions lead, but before you criticize for what you call his emotional detachment, consider where others emotional responses have led us.  Do we need an emotional call for justice and revenge when we have the killer in custody and still wait to find out exactly what caused his actions?  

There&#039;s a fine line any leader must tread in such situations for fear of public response to such events.  Where would we be if he had responded in an emotional manner and we then saw public violence against Americans of Middle Eastern descent?  There&#039;s more to consider than just the moral of the troops as well as how do we get that support from allies if Americans spurred by the words of our president take matters into their own hands as we saw happen after 911 or some start a public outcry for the same type of actions we saw against Japanese Americans during WWII?  Can you honestly say after 911 we didn&#039;t see hate crimes against those of Middle Eastern ethnicity who had nothing to do with the events rise dramatically?

With this of all kinds of attacks, an American armed forces member of Middle Eastern descent and a practicing Muslim doing such a horrific act on an Army base on American soil, the potential fallout in the general public is a nightmare.  And you know as well as any of us that the possibility of just one nut case deciding to “make them pay” and go on a shooting spree of his own in an Islamic community, house of worship or school is already high.   Not to mention the nightmare of our soldiers wondering if the person serving next to them is another such shooter.  

I didn&#039;t miss the point.  We have seen where the emotions of a leader have led us and the results of his following actions very well in both 911 and Katrina.  There is a fine line and more considerations than putting on a good show of sympathy for the public and the families here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kurt,<br />
Would you prefer he do it with a tear in his eye and a proper catch in his voice?  </p>
<p>For too many years we have had our emotions played until we have become afraid of our own shadows.  Emotions in times of crisis are far less successful than cold, calculated thinking and response.  Time will tell as we see how his actions lead, but before you criticize for what you call his emotional detachment, consider where others emotional responses have led us.  Do we need an emotional call for justice and revenge when we have the killer in custody and still wait to find out exactly what caused his actions?  </p>
<p>There&#8217;s a fine line any leader must tread in such situations for fear of public response to such events.  Where would we be if he had responded in an emotional manner and we then saw public violence against Americans of Middle Eastern descent?  There&#8217;s more to consider than just the moral of the troops as well as how do we get that support from allies if Americans spurred by the words of our president take matters into their own hands as we saw happen after 911 or some start a public outcry for the same type of actions we saw against Japanese Americans during WWII?  Can you honestly say after 911 we didn&#8217;t see hate crimes against those of Middle Eastern ethnicity who had nothing to do with the events rise dramatically?</p>
<p>With this of all kinds of attacks, an American armed forces member of Middle Eastern descent and a practicing Muslim doing such a horrific act on an Army base on American soil, the potential fallout in the general public is a nightmare.  And you know as well as any of us that the possibility of just one nut case deciding to “make them pay” and go on a shooting spree of his own in an Islamic community, house of worship or school is already high.   Not to mention the nightmare of our soldiers wondering if the person serving next to them is another such shooter.  </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t miss the point.  We have seen where the emotions of a leader have led us and the results of his following actions very well in both 911 and Katrina.  There is a fine line and more considerations than putting on a good show of sympathy for the public and the families here.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt Schulzke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt Schulzke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 17:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JJ --

You seem to have completely missed the point.  Obama is supposed to be leading &quot;his&quot; troops, soliciting support from allies and waging psychological warfare against our enemies.  He&#039;s doing the polar opposite time after time, in one opportunity after another.  The result will be more soldiers killed and defeat on the battlefield.

There&#039;s nothing in my message that evinces &quot;hatred&quot; of Obama.  Disgust and disappointment, maybe, but not hatred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JJ &#8211;</p>
<p>You seem to have completely missed the point.  Obama is supposed to be leading &#8220;his&#8221; troops, soliciting support from allies and waging psychological warfare against our enemies.  He&#8217;s doing the polar opposite time after time, in one opportunity after another.  The result will be more soldiers killed and defeat on the battlefield.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing in my message that evinces &#8220;hatred&#8221; of Obama.  Disgust and disappointment, maybe, but not hatred.</p>
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		<title>By: JJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evans,
Do you truly believe that we as a country have such a perfect record that we have nothing to be ashamed of?  There&#039;s a great difference between national pride and blind worship and as a country we have done a number of things we should be ashamed of, but that said I&#039;m sure no more than any other country has.  

Silly question to ask someone who describes Bush as “extremely caring” and “humanitarian”. What ever was I thinking?  

Let me be clear here, I&#039;m not a great fan of Obama, but neither do I have the hatred for him that you seem to have.  It&#039;s not a case of apples and oranges as I can tell you that the people of our Gulf Coast would have been a lot happier if Bush would have ended his vacation a bit sooner, skipped the flyover,  the photo op at the cathedral and the immortal “You&#039;re doing a heck of a job.” moment with Brownie and actually paid more attention and taken control of the situation sooner.  They also would have been happy if he had been more interested in our own Gulf Coast instead of the one in the Middle East.  Sad faces, pretty words and empty promises mean nothing when followed by a lack of action.  A feel good moment means nothing when it isn&#039;t backed by the actions directed towards solving the problem and alleviating human suffering.  

The question one should be asking is what&#039;s more important, that the president spend his time showing the nation his sympathy and sorrow for a tragedy or what actions he takes to remedy the problem.  Be it 911, Katrina or Fort Hood, in my opinion actions will speak much more loudly than words.  We&#039;ve heard Bush&#039;s words and seen his actions.  I&#039;m sure we have very different opinions on their worth.  We have heard Obama&#039;s words, so let&#039;s now see what actions he follows them up with and then make a judgment on what is worth more to the American people.  We shouldn&#039;t judge a president on his popularity with the people of our country, but with what he does to improve our condition, preserve our safety and guarantee our rights as citizens.  We shall see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evans,<br />
Do you truly believe that we as a country have such a perfect record that we have nothing to be ashamed of?  There&#8217;s a great difference between national pride and blind worship and as a country we have done a number of things we should be ashamed of, but that said I&#8217;m sure no more than any other country has.  </p>
<p>Silly question to ask someone who describes Bush as “extremely caring” and “humanitarian”. What ever was I thinking?  </p>
<p>Let me be clear here, I&#8217;m not a great fan of Obama, but neither do I have the hatred for him that you seem to have.  It&#8217;s not a case of apples and oranges as I can tell you that the people of our Gulf Coast would have been a lot happier if Bush would have ended his vacation a bit sooner, skipped the flyover,  the photo op at the cathedral and the immortal “You&#8217;re doing a heck of a job.” moment with Brownie and actually paid more attention and taken control of the situation sooner.  They also would have been happy if he had been more interested in our own Gulf Coast instead of the one in the Middle East.  Sad faces, pretty words and empty promises mean nothing when followed by a lack of action.  A feel good moment means nothing when it isn&#8217;t backed by the actions directed towards solving the problem and alleviating human suffering.  </p>
<p>The question one should be asking is what&#8217;s more important, that the president spend his time showing the nation his sympathy and sorrow for a tragedy or what actions he takes to remedy the problem.  Be it 911, Katrina or Fort Hood, in my opinion actions will speak much more loudly than words.  We&#8217;ve heard Bush&#8217;s words and seen his actions.  I&#8217;m sure we have very different opinions on their worth.  We have heard Obama&#8217;s words, so let&#8217;s now see what actions he follows them up with and then make a judgment on what is worth more to the American people.  We shouldn&#8217;t judge a president on his popularity with the people of our country, but with what he does to improve our condition, preserve our safety and guarantee our rights as citizens.  We shall see.</p>
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		<title>By: J. T. Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. T. Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cold indifference plainly evident in that film clip is consistent with Obama&#039;s failure to visit our wounded military personnel in the hospitals in Germany--when he was right there. He doesn&#039;t care about the pain of others, particularly if they serve in the U. S. military. He has also made it clear that he is ashamed of his country, in one painfully stupid, pandering remark after another, virtually all over the globe and contrary to the interests of this nation. He is not interested in the welfare of the military, anymore than he is interested in the welfare of the nation.
This is one sick puppy, and comparing his behavior to the extremely caring, humanitarian attitude of GWBush, who made his visits to military hospitals--without using them as photo ops -- and who did visit Fort Hood with Laura, by the way -- is in denial of reality. 
There was another video I saw recently, comparing the reception given to President Bush by military personnel to that given to President Obama. The response is as different as night and day: these men and women know how both of these men feel about them. Or don&#039;t feel, as the case may be.
Of COURSE Obama should have gone to Fort Hood. It was not a hurricane with hundreds of square miles of damage to be assessed, only possible from the air, it was a massacre. Comparing the two events is a classic case of apples and oranges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cold indifference plainly evident in that film clip is consistent with Obama&#8217;s failure to visit our wounded military personnel in the hospitals in Germany&#8211;when he was right there. He doesn&#8217;t care about the pain of others, particularly if they serve in the U. S. military. He has also made it clear that he is ashamed of his country, in one painfully stupid, pandering remark after another, virtually all over the globe and contrary to the interests of this nation. He is not interested in the welfare of the military, anymore than he is interested in the welfare of the nation.<br />
This is one sick puppy, and comparing his behavior to the extremely caring, humanitarian attitude of GWBush, who made his visits to military hospitals&#8211;without using them as photo ops &#8212; and who did visit Fort Hood with Laura, by the way &#8212; is in denial of reality.<br />
There was another video I saw recently, comparing the reception given to President Bush by military personnel to that given to President Obama. The response is as different as night and day: these men and women know how both of these men feel about them. Or don&#8217;t feel, as the case may be.<br />
Of COURSE Obama should have gone to Fort Hood. It was not a hurricane with hundreds of square miles of damage to be assessed, only possible from the air, it was a massacre. Comparing the two events is a classic case of apples and oranges.</p>
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