Teresa Jeffs: Did she need protection?

Malonis is relying on the “substituted judgment” aspect of being an ad litem. I would be fine with this, if her client were 13 or 14, perhaps 15, not 17 going on 18. Particularly disturbing is the fact that she identifies her client by name in her motion, then alleges she is the victim of sexual abuse, when anyone with a lick of sense would have named the client only by initials & first filed a motion to seal.

* I have read only scattered portions of the transcripts. I would be happy to be corrected as to whether anything in them suggests that Teresa should not be permitted to direct her legal representation.

You probably won’t find anything in transcripts, but we don’t have the benefit of knowing what was said between attorney and client. How can anyone even pretend to make an informed judgment about Teresa or Malonis or what’s appropriate without the benefit of complete information?

It’s pointless to second-guess and it doesn’t do Teresa any good. Besides there is no way to compel an AAL to testify or disclose privileged communications. The AAL alone is given discretion to determine whether substituted judgment is warranted. There are probably many things that we don’t understand about this relationship.

I dont beleive Ms Malonis thinks Teresa needs a strait jacket. I do think she wants her client protected.
The Judges decision concerning whether Ms Malonis would continue being Teresas Attorney Ad Litem was made only After a hour alone with Teresa in Judge’s chambers.
There again, no one but the two of them know what was said.
So, maybe its best to stop guessing?

I like the post title. Protection from what?

Natalie Malonis stepped in like a hero in the case of a disputed teenager, but few were really amazed by what she did in that case.

Malonis then started out with Teresa’s case by broadcasting a false claim in court so all of the world could judge Teresa in a very negative light.

Then the blame for “hiding the baby” was placed on CPS. While shifting all the blame, one has to wonder what her source is for the her stating; “The child is an identified victim of sexual abuse.”

Her credibility is in question already and Malonis has to toss that victim of sexual abuse into the motion numerous times.

Skipping past that conclusive statement absent “alleged”, the end result then was the order that adds no contact with Raymond Jessop and stay away from the ranch. I’m not sure why the ranch was added with the “1000 feet” limit on Raymond in place, but whatever the reason, Teresa was with her mother.

About this time Malonis makes continuous appearances in the news by cable TV programs and being the mouth that would not shut up if reporters are available. She clearly showed all which side she was on.

If Malonis had all of what she wanted, to “protect the child”(!), what then led to the next phase of the mess there? What more could she want to do for Teresa Jeffs?

The Grand Jury seemed to have been the next step that fired her up. She can’t be the criminal defense attorney for Teresa, so it’s not real clear what justified her being the guiding force for Teresa at the GJ hearings.

Every thing Malonis has done leaves all watching looking for an explanation, while we get an excuse or two that always shift blame or reveal that the answer is a secret.

If you overlook the special order walther provided to keep Teresa away from Raymond as just some precaution put in place as a result of CPS secrets shared with a select few, the balance of all that has happened around Malonis looks since looks to be difficulties she created.

The really ironic thing about all this is that Teresa is old enough that if she wishes to take part in sexual activities, nobody has broken any laws by being with her now.

I guess the state of Texas, through Natalie Malonis, is protecting Teresa from herself, and her beliefs.

Cant believe all the folks defending child sex abuse (alleged) perpetrators. Good thing you guys arent AAL’s

SKK: No one is defending Child abuse.You have a closed mind and wont listen to reason. I refer to cases that have been discussed on this blog. Real child abuse is a foster mother leaving a baby in a hot car to die or a father beating a 2 year old to death.

How typical. SKK’s arguments aren’t carrying any weight in real sense, so she stoops to ad hominem attacks.

It’s obvious Warren Jeffs is reading as he’s speaking. Maybe the warden forced him to read the confession from script. I believe he later retracted the claim he wasn’t the prophet, which would explain the forced confession. Either way, most prophets in the bible had their foibles, so it’s nothing new for a prophet to claim he’s the worst sinner alive. Like King David who had someone murdered so he could take his wife. (I know, you say he isn’t a prophet but a king, but some consider him to be a prophet, since he wrote the psalms, which is considered to be a prophetic book.)

Most prophets have foibles but do most prophets confess repeatedly to immoral acts with a sister and a daughter?

In light of that, does anyone really want to argue that there’s no reason for concern about TJ’s communications with her father?

Then why aren’t you pleading with CPS to get in the local schools and do a ‘cattle drive’ (Walther’s expression) to “save” these girls from their abusers? I have yet to see any such expression of concern on Walther’s or CPS’s part… As far as I know there are underage pregnant girls in San Angelo…

Knowing Warren Jeffs as I do, that was not him. I mean he was completely out of his head. Either he was severely drugged or he had a nervous breakdown, or both.

When I saw Nephi crying, I know it was for the same reason as when I first heard that “confession”, I heard a man in extreme emotional agony and I had no way to help him.

His “immoral” acts? They were figments of HIS imagination. And in actuality merely being unclothed in front of his daughter. When he was 20 he had no children over two, so she was less than two years old at the time.

Actually I may have HER birthday wrong, but you get the picture.

Blue, still trying to prosecute alleged wives for the alleged bigamy of their husband?

So, since Teresa is 17, she is liable to go to prison for bigamy. And Malonis wants to be in on any conversations she has with her criminal attorney? Isn’t THAT violating Teresa’s attorney-client privilege with Futrell? Not to mention violating her right to a counsel?

“Otherwise, they can be indicted, tried, and convicted too…”
For bigamy?

I call your bluff again

Pliggy,

Not sure what you mean calling that bluff, but from all I have read, they can be charged.

It would be rather ironic how the Texans that charged them would look in the nation’s eyes. Just imagine!!

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TBM,

While how that original order came about is somewhat moot in itself, is it not one that must be re-heard at certain intervals?

“…remain in effect until modified by further order of the court.”

So, unless Texas has some ‘forever order’ due to walther retiring first, I do believe it will come up again. Can’t wait to hear Natalie’s college plans for Teresa!!

Also, moot or not, the source of the information (allegations) which brought it about are still interesting. We wouldn’t want a 17 YO Teresa to run around behaving like a 14 YO Texas teen, now would we!!

Just to be a gentleman, I’d like to thank TBM for his comments on the “Sarah is a child” probable cause question, here where many from both sides of the topics can see it!

I feel it will still be open for discussion, how it will be challenged, but not at this time.

TBM with the ability of CPS to hold her children hostage, the decision of Annette Jeffs to sign was hardly voluntary.

kbp,

Are you telling me that a wife can be charged with bigamy when she is “purported” to marry only one man? That doesn’t sound right even if she doesn’t testify against him.

And by the way, you are a good man just the same.

What do you know about the environment at the Ranch and where does that information come from?

SKK: Teresa Jeffs has always been a believable witness. If she say she is not a victim, she is not a victim. If she says she hasnt had sex, she hasnt had sex. Despite what her lawyer thinks, Teresa has a mind of her own. Writing to you on this issue makes me feel like Im talking to a brick wall. Her supposed husband was indicted for having sex with a 16 year old. If that 16 year old had been his first wife, there is no problem. The law is an ass for saying that 16 year old has been abused becuase she was a plural wife. When Teresa testifies before the grand jury, she is an adult. In family court, she is a child. The law is an ass.

Thomas - just because I happen to have the same opinion as CPS on one issue does not mean I globally agree with them. It is coincidental, at best.

Once again I have reiterate that Texas definition of criminal common law bigamy violates freedom of expression.

He could come to Kansas and we could just argue face to face, if he doesn’t mind the tornadoes!!

I agree, Jeny, and I’m not sure why her lawyers agreed to it. Many of the lawyers were telling their clients not to sign, but the women wanted their children back at any cost.

And CPS/Walther forced the women to do something against their will…sounds like abuse to me…

That reads like a brainfart for proof of guilt for something .

I have no insight into how their brains or consciences work.

….and CPS.

That’s not duress.

SKK: People who are forced to negotiate at a disadvantage are under duress.

Thomas Forguson { 09.14.08 at 8:22 am } SKK: People who are forced to negotiate at a disadvantage are under duress.
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As in:

CPS: Sign this document or we keep your kids and you’ll never see them again. They’ll be gone forever.

Parent: To sign, or not to sign? That is the question.

THAT is a classic depiction of duress.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/duress

Main Entry: du·ress
Pronunciation: \du?-?res also dyu?-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English duresse, from Anglo-French duresce hardness, severity, from Latin duritia, from durus
Date: 15th century
1: forcible restraint or restriction
2: compulsion by threat ; specifically : unlawful constraint

Abby,
Don’t read Marrianne’s letter to her mother, you might get a clue.
Where do you want him to be? Here on the blogs?
Oh, I get it, you think that leading means standing in front of the firing squad.

kbp,
I by no strech of the imagination was anry with you, I thought it rather high minded and kind for you to complement blue man. Maybe someday after he stops endorsing the terrorizing of my relatives and their children I can do the same.

And about that law, all I can say is “only in Nazi USSA”

Pliggy,

“I just thought it rather high minded and kind for you to complement blue man.”

First, I never took it that you were upset with me.

On TBM, he did take the time to show me a couple reasons he felt there was “probable cause” for that search and arrest warrant.

There is no record that we have which indicates they knew Sarah’s marriage to Dale was bigamy, so nothing voided the marriage.

The affidavit had sufficient information for “probable cause” on the sexual assault.

TBM provided case law that relates to how they can determine that cause, showing what does NOT have to be proved.

My thanks to him was for taking time to explain it and providing that case law.

His quote of that case; “”Probable cause exists when, under the totality of the circumstances…, actually opens the door to the question of ‘why was other information in the affidavit ignored AND why was Long’s inaccuracy on Texas marriage law ignored?

There is still probable cause in that affidavit, but only if you ignore a great deal of what the affidavit told us, and
a summary of the points made in that Rodriguez case tells that the magistrate is NOT supposed to do such.

I did not see anything that indicates bigamy, or members of the FLDS church at the YFZ, in that affidavit, but there may be something more I do not know of.

Neither of the motions I have seen which challenge that SW mentioned the problem of Sarah being married, but they were both submitted very early on.

Its obvious 1) SKK has no children and 2) SKK is likely missing a heart–along the same lines as Tin Man.

OMG, you make me sick. ::::blech::::

Child abuse makes me sick too.

However–YOU view EVERY natural parent as a child abuser, and I don’t.

You have an ax to grind with *every* child’s God-given parent. I don’t.

You view us *all* as being guilty of abuse, neglect and mistreatment of our children–until we prove to you otherwise. I don’t.

I assume parents are good, loving, nurturing and kind to their children, while providing the discipline they need to grow up to be productive adults

I assume this to be the case for all parents–unless and until they are proven *conclusively* in a court of law to be abusive, neglectful or otherwise unfit to parent their children.

I believe the Parent/Child relationship is sacro-sanct and to interfere in it, one must have absolute, conclusive evidence that a child’s life is in danger if they are left with their parent.

You don’t understand the Parent/Child relationship. You don’t have a problem intefering in that relationship on a false anonymous claim—precisely because you believe *every* parent is an abuser.

You don’t believe in protecting a parent’s right to be with their child(ren), and you don’t believe in protecting a child’s right to be with their parent(s). You don’t see these relationships as sacr-sanct and you never will.

Therein lies the difference between us.

Jeny { 09.14.08 at 12:54 pm }
Child abuse makes me sick too.

However–YOU view EVERY natural parent as a child abuser, and I don’t.

Totally irrational .. like I said.

SKK: Annette Jeffs,in negotiating,was not negotiaitng on equal terms.

SKK { 09.14.08 at 12:05 pm } Making a choice between two possible outcomes is not duress. Making an unpleasant choice is not duress.

Besides, you’re talking about the order that was signed by Annette on June 2 or June 3 .. the children were being released, there was no “threat” of any consequences if she didn’t agree to the order.
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SKK, do you honestly not believe that the understood alternative to not signing the agreement was that her daughter would remain in foster care? As I understand it, none of the parents would get their kids back unless they signed those papers. Sure it’s a choice and an upleasant one. Teresa’s mom’s paper to sign had more provisions, of course.

They call losing your child the civil version of the death sentence. If someone said to you sign this paper or die, would you not consider the signing of that paper to be done under duress? Please be honest.

Think the better/safer choice is to put Merrianne and Teresa in foster care? think again. The following are statistics from another study, but Texas foster care is probably worse if you consider the Strayhorn report.

“A study of reported abuse in Baltimore fount that the rate of ” substantiated” cases of sexual abuse in foster care is more than four times higher than the rate in the general population. An Indiana study found three times more physical abuse and two times more sexual abuse in foster homes than in the general population. In group homes, there was more than ten times the rate of physical abuse and more than 28 times the rate of sexual abuse as in the general population.

Nearly one third of foster children included in a study in Oregon and Washington reported being abused by a foster parent or another adult in that home.”
http://www.sampsonlawoffice.com/PracticeAreas/Statistics-Foster-Care.asp

http://www.senatornancyschaefer.com/newsletters_updates.php?filter=25

November 16, 2007

THE CORRUPT BUSINESS OF CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES

BY: Nancy Schaefer
Senator, 50th District

My introduction into child protective service cases was due to a grandmother in an adjoining state who called me with her tragic story. Her two granddaughters had been taken from her daughter who lived in my district. Her daughter was told wrongly that if she wanted to see her children again she should sign a paper and give up her children. Frightened and young, the daughter did. I have since discovered that parents are often threatened into cooperation of permanent separation of their children.

The children were taken to another county and placed in foster care. The foster parents were told wrongly that they could adopt the children. The grandmother then jumped through every hoop known to man in order to get her granddaughters. When the case finally came to court it was made evident by one of the foster parent’s children that the foster parents had, at any given time, 18 foster children and that the foster mother had an inappropriate relationship with the caseworker.

In the courtroom, the juvenile judge, acted as though she was shocked and said the two girls would be removed quickly. They were not removed. Finally, after much pressure being applied to the Department of Family and Children Services of Georgia (DFCS), the children were driven to South Georgia to meet their grandmother who gladly drove to meet them.

After being with their grandmother two or three days, the judge, quite out of the blue, wrote up a new order to send the girls to their father, who previously had no interest in the case and who lived on the West Coast. The father was in “adult entertainment”. His girlfriend worked as an “escort” and his brother, who also worked in the business, had a sexual charge brought against him.

Within a couple of days the father was knocking on the grandmother’s door and took the girls kicking and screaming to California.

The father developed an unusual relationship with the former foster parents and soon moved back to the southeast, and the foster parents began driving to the father’s residence and picking up the little girls for visits. The oldest child had told her mother and grandmother on two different occasions that the foster father molested her.

To this day after five years, this loving, caring blood relative grandmother does not even have visitation privileges with the children. The little girls are in my opinion permanently traumatized and the young mother of the girls was so traumatized with shock when the girls were first removed from her that she has not recovered.

Throughout this case and through the process of dealing with multiple other mismanaged cases of the Department of Family and Children Services (DFCS), I have worked with other desperate parents and children across the state because they have no rights and no one with whom to turn. I have witnessed ruthless behavior from many caseworkers, social workers, investigators, lawyers, judges, therapists, and others such as those who “pick up” the children. I have been stunned by what I have seen and heard from victims all over the state of Georgia.

In this report, I am focusing on the Georgia Department of Family and Children Services (DFCS). However, I believe Child Protective Services nationwide has become corrupt and that the entire system is broken almost beyond repair. I am convinced parents and families should be warned of the dangers.

The Department of Child Protective Services, known as the Department of Family and Children Service (DFCS) in Georgia and other titles in other states, has become a “protected empire” built on taking children and separating families. This is not to say that there are not those children who do need to be removed from wretched situations and need protection. This report is concerned with the children and parents caught up in “legal kidnapping,” ineffective policies, and DFCS who do does not remove a child or children when a child is enduring torment and abuse. (See Exhibit A and Exhibit B)

In one county in my District, I arranged a meeting for thirty-seven families to speak freely and without fear. These poor parents and grandparents spoke of their painful, heart wrenching encounters with DFCS. Their suffering was overwhelming. They wept and cried. Some did not know where their children were and had not seen them in years. I had witnessed the “Gestapo” at work and I witnessed the deceitful conditions under which children were taken in the middle of the night, out of hospitals, off of school buses, and out of homes. In one county a private drug testing business was operating within the DFCS department that required many, many drug tests from parents and individuals for profit. In another county children were not removed when they were enduring the worst possible abuse.

Due to being exposed, several employees in a particular DFCS office were fired. However, they have now been rehired either in neighboring counties or in the same county again. According to the calls I am now receiving, the conditions in that county are returning to the same practices that they had before the light was shown on their deeds.

Having worked with probably 300 cases statewide, I am convinced there is no responsibility and no accountability in the system.

I have come to the conclusion:

that poor parents often times are targeted to lose their children because they do not have the where-with-all to hire lawyers and fight the system. Being poor does not mean you are not a good parent or that you do not love your child, or that your child should be removed and placed with strangers;
that all parents are capable of making mistakes and that making a mistake does not mean your children are always to be removed from the home. Even if the home is not perfect, it is home; and that’s where a child is the safest and where he or she wants to be, with family;
that parenting classes, anger management classes, counseling referrals, therapy classes and on and on are demanded of parents with no compassion by the system even while they are at work and while their children are separated from them. This can take months or even years and it emotionally devastates both children and parents. Parents are victimized by “the system” that makes a profit for holding children longer and “bonuses” for not returning children;
that caseworkers and social workers are oftentimes guilty of fraud. They withhold evidence. They fabricate evidence and they seek to terminate parental rights. However, when charges are made against them, the charges are ignored;
that the separation of families is growing as a business because local governments have grown accustomed to having taxpayer dollars to balance their ever-expanding budgets;
that Child Protective Service and Juvenile Court can always hide behind a confidentiality clause in order to protect their decisions and keep the funds flowing. There should be open records and “court watches”! Look who is being paid! There are state employees, lawyers, court investigators, court personnel, and judges. There are psychologists, and psychiatrists, counselors, caseworkers, therapists, foster parents, adoptive parents, and on and on. All are looking to the children in state custody to provide job security. Parents do not realize that social workers are the glue that holds “the system” together that funds the court, the child’s attorney, and the multiple other jobs including DFCS’s attorney.
that The Adoption and the Safe Families Act, set in motion by President Bill Clinton, offered cash “bonuses” to the states for every child they adopted out of foster care. In order to receive the “adoption incentive bonuses” local child protective services need more children. They must have merchandise (children) that sell and you must have plenty of them so the buyer can choose. Some counties are known to give a $4,000 bonus for each child adopted and an additional $2,000 for a “special needs” child. Employees work to keep the federal dollars flowing;
that there is double dipping. The funding continues as long as the child is out of the home. When a child in foster care is placed with a new family then “adoption bonus funds” are available. When a child is placed in a mental health facility and is on 16 drugs per day, like two children of a constituent of mine, more funds are involved;
that there are no financial resources and no real drive to unite a family and help keep them together;
that the incentive for social workers to return children to their parents quickly after taking them has disappeared and who in protective services will step up to the plate and say, “This must end! No one, because they are all in the system together and a system with no leader and no clear policies will always fail the children. Look at the waste in government that is forced upon the tax payer;
that the “Policy Manuel” is considered “the last word” for DFCS. However, it is too long, too confusing, poorly written and does not take the law into consideration;
that if the lives of children were improved by removing them from their homes, there might be a greater need for protective services, but today all children are not always safer. Children, of whom I am aware, have been raped and impregnated in foster care and the head of a Foster Parents Association in my District was recently arrested because of child molestation;
that some parents are even told if they want to see their children or grandchildren, they must divorce their spouse. Many, who are under privileged, feeling they have no option, will divorce and then just continue to live together. This is an anti-family policy, but parents will do anything to get their children home with them.
fathers, (non-custodial parents) I must add, are oftentimes treated as criminals without access to their own children and have child support payments strangling the very life out of them;
that the Foster Parents Bill of Rights does not bring out that a foster parent is there only to care for a child until the child can be returned home. Many Foster Parents today use the Foster Parent Bill of Rights to hire a lawyer and seek to adopt the child from the real parents, who are desperately trying to get their child home and out of the system;
that tax dollars are being used to keep this gigantic system afloat, yet the victims, parents, grandparents, guardians and especially the children, are charged for the system’s services.
that grandparents have called from all over the State of Georgia trying to get custody of their grandchildren. DFCS claims relatives are contacted, but there are cases that prove differently. Grandparents who lose their grandchildren to strangers have lost their own flesh and blood. The children lose their family heritage and grandparents, and parents too, lose all connections to their heirs.
that The National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect in 1998 reported that six times as many children died in foster care than in the general public and that once removed to official “safety”, these children are far more likely to suffer abuse, including sexual molestation than in the general population.
That according to the California Little Hoover Commission Report in 2003, 30% to 70% of the children in California group homes do not belong there and should not have been removed from their homes.
Please continue:
(See Final Remarks below)

FINAL REMARKS
On my desk are scores of cases of exhausted families and troubled children. It has been beyond me to turn my back on these suffering, crying, and sometimes beaten down individuals. We are mistreating the most innocent. Child Protective Services have become adult centered to the detriment of children. No longer is judgment based on what the child needs or who the child wants to be with or what is really best for the whole family; it is some adult or bureaucrat who makes the decisions, based often on just hearsay, without ever consulting a family member, or just what is convenient, profitable, or less troublesome for a director of DFCS.

I have witnessed such injustice and harm brought to these families that I am not sure if I even believe reform of the system is possible! The system cannot be trusted. It does not serve the people. It obliterates families and children simply because it has the power to do so.
Children deserve better. Families deserve better. It’s time to pull back the curtain and set our children and families free.

“Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and the needy” Proverbs 31:8-9

Please continue to read:
Recommendations
Exhibit A
Exhibit B

RECOMMENDATIONS
Call for an independent audit of the Department of Family and Children’s Services (DFCS) to expose corruption and fraud.
Activate immediate change. Every day that passes means more families and children are subject to being held hostage.
End the financial incentives that separate families.
Grant to parents their rights in writing.
Mandate a search for family members to be given the opportunity to adopt their own relatives.
Mandate a jury trial where every piece of evidence is presented before removing a child from his or her parents.
Require a warrant or a positive emergency circumstance before removing children from their parents. (Judge Arthur G. Christean, Utah Bar Journal, January, 1997 reported that “except in emergency circumstances, including the need for immediate medical care, require warrants upon affidavits of probable cause before entry upon private property is permitted for the forcible removal of children from their parents.”)
Uphold the laws when someone fabricates or presents false evidence. If a parent alleges fraud, hold a hearing with the right to discovery of all evidence.
Continue to Exhibit A

EXHIBIT A
December 5, 2006

Jeremy’s Story
( Some names withheld due to future hearings)

As told to Senator Nancy Schaefer by Sandra (XXXX), a foster parent of Jeremy for 2 ½ years.

My husband and I received Jeremy when he was 2 weeks old and we have been the only parents he has really ever known. He lived with us for 27 months. (XXXX) is the grandfather of Jeremy, and he is known for molesting his own children, for molesting Jeremy and has been court ordered not to be around Jeremy. (XXXX) is the mother of Jeremy, who has been diagnosed to be mentally ill, and also is known to have molested Jeremy. (XXXX) and Jeremy’s uncle is a registered sex offender and (XXXX) is the biological father, who is a drug addict and alcoholic and who continues to be in and out of jail. Having just described Jeremy’s world, all of these adults are not to be any part of Jeremy’s life, yet for years DFCS has known that they are. DFCS had to test (XXXX) (the grandfather) and his son (XXXX) (the uncle) and (XXXX) to determine the real father. (XXXX) is the biological father although any of them might have been. In court, it appeared from the case study, that everyone involved knew that this little boy had been molested by family members, even by his own mother, (XXXX). In court, (XXX), the mother of Jeremy, admitted to having had sex with (XXXX) (the grandfather) and (XXXX) (her own brother) that morning. Judge (XXXX) and DFCS gave Jeremy to his grandmother that same day. (XXXX), the grandmother, is over 300 lbs., is unable to drive, and is unable to take care of Jeremy due to physical problems. She also has been in a mental hospital several times due to her behavior.

Even though it was ordered by the court that the grandfather (XXXX), the uncle (XXXX) (a convicted sex offender), (XXXX) his mother who molested him and (XXXX) his biological father, a convicted drug addict, were not to have anything to do with the child, they all continue to come and go as they please at (XXXX address), where Jeremy has been “sentenced to live” for years. This residence has no bathroom and little heat. The front door and the windows are boarded. (See pictures) This home should have been condemned years ago. I have been in this home. No child should ever have to live like this or with such people.

Jeremy was taken from us at age 2 ½ years after (XXXX) obtained attorney (XXXX), who was the same attorney who represented him in a large settlement from an auto accident. I am told, that attorney (XXXX), as grandfather’s attorney, is known to have repeatedly gotten (XXXX) off of several criminal charges in White County. This is a matter of record and is

known by many in White County. I have copies of some records. (XXXX grandfather), through (XXXX attorney’s) work, got (XXXX), the grandmother of Jeremy, legal custody of Jeremy. (XXXX grandfather) who cannot read or write also got his daughter (XXXX) and son (XXXX) diagnosed by government agencies as mentally ill. (XXXX grandfather), through legal channels, has taken upon himself all control of the family and is able to take possession of any government funding coming to these people.

It was during this time that Jeremy was to have a six-month transitional period between (XXXX grandmother) and my family as we were to give him up. The court ordered agreement was to have been 4 days at our house and 3 days at (XXXX grandmother). DFCS stopped the visits within 2 weeks. The reason given by DFCS was the child was too traumatized going back and forth. In truth, Jeremy begged us and screamed never to be taken back to (XXXX his grandmother) house, which we have on video. We, as a family, have seen Jeremy in stores time to time with (XXXX grandmother) and the very people he is not to be around. At each meeting Jeremy continues to run to us wherever he sees us and it is clear he is suffering. This child is in a desperate situation and this is why I am writing, and begging you Senator Schaefer, to do something in this child’s behalf. Jeremy can clearly describe in detail his sexual molestation by every member of this family and this sexual abuse continues to this day.

When Jeremy was 5 years of age I took him to Dr. (XXXX) of Habersham County who did indeed agree that Jeremy’s rectum was black and blue and the physical damage to the child was clearly a case of sexual molestation .

Early in Jeremy’s life, when he was in such bad physical condition, we took him to Egleston Children Hospital where at two months of age therapy was to begin three times a week. DFCS decided that the (XXXX grandparent family) should participate in his therapy. However, the therapist complained over and over that the (XXXX grandparent family) would not even wash their hands and would cause Jeremy to cry during these sessions. (XXXX the grandmother), after receiving custody no longer allowed the therapy because it was an inconvenience. The therapist reported that this would be a terrible thing to do to this child. Therapy was stopped and it was detrimental to the health of Jeremy.

During (XXXX grandmother) custody, (XXXX uncle) has shot Jeremy with a BB gun and there is a report at (XXXX) County Sheriff’s office. There are several amber alerts at Cornelia Wal-Mart, Commerce Wal-Mart, and a 911 report from (XXXX) County Sheriff’s Department when Jeremy was lost. (XXXX grandmother), to teach Jeremy a lesson, took thorn bush limbs and beat the bottoms of his feet. Jeremy’s feet got infected and his feet had to be lanced by Dr. (XXXX). Then Judy called me to pick him up after about 4 days to take back him to the doctor because of intense pain. I took Jeremy to Dr. (XXXX) in Gainesville. Dr. (XXXX) said surgery was needed immediately and a cast was added. After returning home, (XXXX), his grandfather and (XXXX), his uncle, took him into the hog lot and allowed him to walk in the filth.

Jeremy’s feet became so infected for a 2nd time that he was again taken back to Dr. (XXXX) and the hospital. No one in the hospital could believe this child’s living conditions.

Jeremy is threatened to keep quiet and not say anything to anyone. I have videos, reports, arrest records and almost anything you might need to help Jeremy.

Please call my husband, Wendell, or me at any time.

Sandra and (XXXX) husband (XXXX)

Continue - Exhibit B

EXHIBIT B
Failure of DFCS
to remove six desperate children

A brief report regarding six children that Habersham County DFCS director failed to remove as disclosed to Senator Nancy Schaefer by Sheriff Deray Fincher of Habersham County.

Sheriff Deray Fincher, Chief of Police Don Ford and Chief Investigator Lt. Greg Bowen Chief called me to meet with them immediately, which I did on Tuesday, October 16, 2007

Sheriff Fincher, after contacting the Director of Habersham County DFCS several times to remove six children from being horribly abused, finally had to get a court order to remove the children himself with the help of two police officers.

The children, four boys and two girls, were not just being abused; they were being tortured by a monster father.

The six children and a live in girl friend were terrified of this man, the abuser. The children never slept in a bed, but always on the floor. The place where they lived was unfit for human habitation.

The father on one occasion hit one of the boys across his head with a bat and cut the boy’s head open. The father then proceeded to hold the boy down and sew up the child’s head with a needle and red thread. However, even with beatings and burnings, this is only a fraction of what the father did to these children and to the live-in girlfriend.

Sheriff Fincher has pictures of the abuse and condition of one of the boys and at the writing of this report, he has the father in jail in Habersham County.

It should be noted that when the DFCS director found out that Sheriff Fincher was going to remove the children, she called the father and warned him to flee.

This is not the only time this DFCS director failed to remove a child when she needed to do so. (See Exhibit A)

The egregious acts and abhorrent behavior of officials who are supposed to protect children can no longer be tolerated.

Senator Nancy Schaefer
50th District of Georgia

Senator Nancy Schaefer
302 B Coverdell Office Building
18 Capitol Square, SW
Atlanta, Georgia 30334
Phone: 404-463-1367
Fax: 404-657-3217
Senator Nancy Schaefer
District Office
P O Box 294
Turnerville, Georgia 30580
Phone: 706-754-1998
Fax: 706-754-1803

email: senatornancyschaefer@alltel.net
Please forward to anyone interested

Thomas - you have no idea whether Teresa had sexual relations or not …but it really does not matter. The point is her parents placed her in a situation where she was at risk for being sexually abused. That’s considered harmful to a child by definition under the law. It’s called “failure to protect” and it’s very serious with potentially devastating consequences. That’s why the FLDS have come out with their mini manifesto promising not to marry under the legal age. Note …they did not promise only to not engage in sexual relations, they promised not to MARRY because the act of giving a 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 year old girl in marriage is itself harmful because it exposes the girls to RISK of sexual abuse (and it’s illegal).

If you have any doubt the risk is real .. look to the underage girls who gave birth. Whether or not Teresa engaged in sexual relations

To the alleged SKK,

“It was the right thing to do and it likely kept her out of the subsequent round of motions to retake custody of some children. To me it looks like Annette made a calculated and strategic choice when she agred to the order. And she DID get the benefit of her bargain — Teresa is still with her and there has been no attempt to take her back in custody.”

O, no threat of torturing the children there, not that I can see, no me and Ray Charles can see nothing. Very strategic of her to keep her children, you know there are other strategies she COULD have used, but none of them involved NOT LOSING HER CHILDREN AGAIN.

You are right, call me nutty, because that must sound perfectly natural to you normal folk. MAN am I glad I am not normal.

Question: what should be the consequences for a parent who gives a 12, 13 or 14 year old girld to a 35- 50 year old man in marriage?

Should there be no consequences whatsoever? Should they be expected to participate in parenting education and establish practices to keep their teenage girls from marrying older men? Should they be held accountable for the criminal offense?

What if the parents give their teenage girl to an older man in marriage knowing that the teenage girl will become the ninth wife in a bigamous marriage? Or the 60th wife?

What if the man they’re giving their teenage daughter to has impregnated 14 and 15 year olds in the past?

What if their teenage daughter did not know the man prior to her wedding day?

Should there be no consequences?

Alleged SKK,

No, I am not going to argue with you. But I will tell you ABSOLUTELY.

You see a mother with an infant and your skin crawls, you see innocent youth and it makes you cringe. You cannot tell the difference between abuse and marriage, and you believe that women are forced to have children against their will. That is NOT SO in the FLDS.

I think YOUR belief system is abusive.

You are so wrong.

I see a 14 year old with the infant of a 38 year old and it makes my skin crawl. I see a 12 year old turned over to a 50 year old in marriage and I cringe.

The marriage relationship is sacred. The parent child relationship is sacrosanct. It is a relationship that is special beyond any other. A parent is in the unique position to nurture the child and prepare the child for adulthood, and the very special relationship between parent and child puts the parent in the definitively unique position to protect the child. Only the parent can do that, do you understand that? The Prophet cant, the Elders cant, and neither can Joseph Smith or G-d Himself.

Within the parameters of acceptable parenting there’s a wide variety. It’s every parent’s fundamental and inalienable right to rear their children according to their wn beliefs ans as the parent sees fit ..but there are limits on that right just as there are limits on every single fundamental right. Every right comes also withduties. There is no greater duty than a parent’s duty to protect its cildren from harm. We may all disagree on what is or is not harmful to children. Too much TV, rock music, adequate sleep, junk food, spanking, internet ..all issues on which reaonable and fit parenys might disagree.

Then there are lines beyond which a parent cannot cross with children. Certain circumstances are dangerous and harmful to children because we,as a soiety, have defined it that way. When a parent places a child in a situation that exposes the child to a risk of sexual abuse the parent has placed the child in harm’s way. There must be consequences. There must be a deterrent.

There is nothing more precious than a parent child relationship. And there is nothingmore abhorrent than a parent who harms a child or even exposes a child to a risk of harm.

Plighy, no offense but if you cannot see the harm, I think you are way too close to the situation to have any perspective.

I see SKK is trying to school every one in her particular value system. SKK, please try to stick to the legal system. You are assuming up the Wazoo that Mr. Raymond is guilty of child sexual assault. Upon this assumption is based all your other reasoning, which are also based on other assumptions such as whether or not Teresa was “at risk” based on some questionable evidence seized during a questionable raid. You whole line of reasoning not based on facts proven in court, but on mere allegations, which you try to embellish with your own value system in your effort to create a strawman (Raymond’s a monster! Annette “gave” Teresa to a monster, therefore Annette is a monster too! You all support child rapists!). Sorry, I’m not going to waste my time attacking this strawman. You deliberately choose to ignore Pliggy’s first hand knowledge of this culture, and ignore the constitutional issues of this case, in your unqualified support of the state’s witchhunt against the FLDS.

Reynolds vs United States
Reynolds deliberately forced the issue of Polygamy on the Supreme Court of the United States. Didnt work, Supreme Court said, didnt matter what you beleived religiously, Polygamy was against the law.
Bigamy in Texas has been against the law for years!
Skk, This has nothing to do with the constitution, it has to do with a group of people who have depended on others to take care of them and their needs all their lives. They dont know or have the skills to take care of themselves individually as single family members.
They have NEVER registered as religion, or a church. They are registered as a CorporationLLC

Joey, I’m not sterotyping anyone. Flds are known by what they do. There has been generations of what they have done. Documented. Yes, This is a f