Trio of Texas helicopters buzz YFZ ranch, terrorizing kids

It is very common for fighters, trainner and helicopters to fly over Eldorado at least once a week. Del Rio is a flight training base and they fly from Del Rio to San Angelo. We are also the route for many of the helicopter aircraft from Fort Hood to Midland. You want to know another reason other that your conspiracies? Sonora has a contract to fill the helicopters and Schleicher county is littered with old ships, docks and warehouses made out of rock ( in WW2) that the US still uses for low altitude recon and targeting. Nothing new, been going on long before the FLDS arrived in Eldorado. Don’t believe me - check it out!

In view of recent history, that compound should be off limits to military helicopters — like staying miles away. Children (and adults) who have been so emotionally and physically abused–invaded and taken captive–by the government had every reason to feel terror. If they were indeed “buzzed” as described, that was an act of terrorism.

K otis so explain the 3 fighter jets over Colorado City about 2 on Friday.I saw them.Down that one.

Interesting artticle featuring Rozita Swinton and her call in NEWSWEEK!!!

http://www.newsweek.com/id/148992?from=rss

Perhaps the lamestream media is starting to catch on to the Texas Kristallnacht and how it happened?

Great clip of alternative uses of pilots’ time! If they are required to fly low over residential areas, why not do something nice while they’re at it?

Isn’t there something in the Declaration of Independence regarding governments deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed? And something about our right to alter or to abolish whatever form of government is abusive or destructive?

There is something frighteningly akin to the policies of certain former despotic governments being re-enacted in the state of Texas. Makes one wonder where that fine line between government disapproval and politically-based, government-sponsored abuse and terrorism is crossed. I may not agree with the FLDS religion, but neither do I agree with disregarding the law and bullying those whose views differ from mine. What can concerned citizens do to help the FLDS?

Speaking of the “war” on the FLDS, I thought they said they would cooperate? So where are the 5 wanted guys? Why does an innocent group need a “house of hiding”?

Another raid on the Ranch is probably what the police state activists in Eldorado want. So Bart, quick, give us the names of the 5 wanted guys so we can convey those names to Willie. He will have the 5 guys turn themselves in, thereby making another raid on the Ranch un-necassary.

Please. Hurry up with the names.

Oh, the Ranch is not near an air base.

Ode to Bart:
There used to be an axiom that said that a liberal is just a conservative who has never been mugged. Maybe you’ll be more sympathetic to the FLDS (of whom I am not one) once you have been “mugged”, i.e., raided and kidnapped by Texas CPS and friends. Suddenly you will know the difference between a casual flyover and one that is deliberately terrorizing innocent people.

In case anyone is confused: casual flyovers don’t have guns bristling out of every port. Nor do they come within feet of the ground, kicking up rocks and dirt. This was intended to be terrifying and cause nightmares. And no doubt it did just that.

Meanwhile, I’ll write a few letters to the keepers of the beast as Kurt recommends.

As ex military retired, I see some valitity in Otis claims. Helicopters are calvary not airforce. Air force uses fixed wings and ArmyMmarines ( calvary ) uses rotor as a rule. So does coast guard and national guard. Dyess Air Force Base is a top secuirty B1 Bomber base so any aircraft coming from there will be trainers to Del Rio because they do not fly the B1 as a rule just to joy ride. LAUGHLIN AIR FORCE BASE in Del Rio is a training base for fixed wing pilots. Fort Hood is calvary headquarters. Home of most of the helicopters in the state and most of the helicopter training. 1500 feet is the legal alt for poplated areas and 500 is the norm for texas ranch land. So that may make a little sense too. I am not familiar with this part of country but I have looked at it on a map. Eldorado is directly in-line from Del Rio to Abiline for fixed wing. Rotor craft many times do not play by the same rules.

Based on the following article, http://www.infowars.com/martiallaw.html I have reason to believe that there is much more to this story.

You’re right, Dyess is not the right base. It’s most likely from the following (see excerpt of article from above link).

The Temple police handed Mike a letter that they had received from the Department of the Army, 47th Ordnance Company (EOD), 52nd Ordnance Group (EOD), Fort Hood, Texas. The letter is dated February 22, 1999, and it is addressed to local agencies. It states,

“This letter is meant to inform you of the assets available to you from this organization. The 47th Ordnance Company (EOD) is organized and equipped to support not only military units, but also any municipal, state, or federal agency. Our area of responsibility includes 77 counties within the state, including the Dallas-Fort Worth metroplex.

“Special Circumstances: In the case of situations when your agency feels that there is an explosive hazard (boobytraps, warrant service, hostage situation, drug lab raids, etc…), it is possible for you to request that an EOD team be present for this operation in the interest of preserving public safety. This requires an official request to our higher command (see attached example) from the lead agency present.

“Please do not feel as if we are a ‘last resort’ asset, we are here to support you 24 hours per day. Share this information with both the personnel in your agency and other agencies. Do not hesitate to contact this unit if you require our assistance, or if you have questions. Do not delay in the case of explosive related incidents, minutes can cost lives. We hope that we can be of service to you in the future.”

Be sure, too, to follow the links at the bottom of the article.

Sgt. I stil maintain those children don’t give one whit about the details you find so “handy”.

To them–their lives were in grave danger from those operating the aircraft. Their life experiences tell them to be VERY afraid of anyone who is not part of their community. Especially mechanized vehicles (armed and unarmed) that show up unexpectedly and hover above their heads.

To these children it matters not what base said vehicles came from, nor what kind of mechanized craft it is, nor what letters are on it, nor what base it came from.

To these children those aircraft represent LIFE THREATENING DANGER, and they should *not* have to put up with these military incursions in their own yard.

Would you put up with such intrusive military incursions in YOUR own personal backyard?

Yeah, I thought not.

Sgt., the word is “moot”, not “mute”.

Mute = A human unable to speak

Moot = Pointless

I would expect that since you so detail oriented, you would know the difference and use the proper word. Failing to do so causes you appear to be rather ignorant.

Even *if* the FLDS gave you every detail you requested–even if they spoon fed it to you–they would be powerless and unable to stop these military incursions happening to them again.

They are under attack from the US Government and the Texas State Government.

Even though they are US Citizens, they have fewer rights than the detainess at Gitmo. And that’s not an exaggeration.

Best,
Jeny

Jeny,

In the Sgts defense, he has a good point and hasn’t said he agrees with helicopters flying low, if that’s what really happened.

Also, my husband uses “mute” instead of “moot” all the time, among other mistakes in English usage, and I don’t consider him to be ignorant. He gets some words mixed up sometimes and maybe his use of language isn’t perfect, but he’s great in his profession, intelligent in lots of other areas, and a good person.

I suspect you feel as passionate as I do about the wrongs that continue in Texas and that’s why you’re on the attack.

Hey Sarge,
You had it right the 1st time. “MUTE issue” as in ” Shut the hell up” until you know what you are talking about. I do agree that pilot stupidity could also be a factor.

I’m just glad of several things on this thread.

First, confirmation of my point on another blog that pilots can be idiots.

Second, why not wait and see what really happened instead of blaming the State of Texas.

Third, for Vic, yes, the State of Texas does have Apache helicopters - they are assigned to the 36th Infantry Division of the Texas Army Guard (1-149 Atk Recon Bn). Almost all states have Army helicopters in their Army Guard, and a great many have the AH-64 Apache.

Fourth, be glad that Kurt is at least reasonable about things.

Nope Otis–not mad at you. I don’t “get mad” easily–but when I do, it usually involves someone mistreating children for no good reason, lieing straight to my face or otherwise behaving in an unethical or illegal way.

I don’t think you’ve done any of that, have you?

Jeny:
“I don’t care if these were hooligan pilots out joy riding. If they were hooligans, ground ‘em and make sure they NEVER fly again. They don’t deserve to waste taxpayer money terrorizing young innocent AMERICAN children.”

One of the points the good Sgt. is making is that they can’t ground any joy-riding pilots without some proof of which pilots they were-
Surely you don’t want their careers ruined with the same sort of evidence that the state of TExas used to traumatize the children of YfZ- unsubstantiated accusations?

Otis…you’d be surprised to learn I live deep in the South. Not terribly far from Mr. Schulske, matter of fact.

I’ve heard ya’ll at least a million times or probably more.

However, I went to Catholic school where mangling the English language simply was not allowed! Ever.

The Nuns really hammered that point home….they’d be quite proud of me today. He he he.

Already done posted about it- it was mentioned in another of the comments ’bout it, here.
Shore ’nuff.

To: Sergeant Thomas Roach

Thank you for your efforts, sir. We appreciate it. We are only interested in the facts, too. Whether they prove for us or against us, we have no desire or intention to malign or falsely accuse anyone over anything. A person’s grammar is of very little importance, but character and honesty are everything.

I’m interested also - there was such a commotion about terrorizing the children…so where are the pics?