Why does the Deseret News stay more up to date than the San Angelo Standard Times on the FLDS case? Tuesday afternoon at 4:59 p.m., the Des News reported that Texas CPS had just filed to “nonsuit” ten more FLDS children. I’ve lost track of the total at this point, but I think it’s nearing 200.
Perhaps just as important, CPS spokesman Patrick Crimmins is “unaware of any plans to re-remove anyone else” besides Merrianne Jessop. Yet, this morning at 10:30 EDT, the San Ang Standard Times is speechless. Brooke Adams, at the Salt Lake Tribune, is also mute, posting nothing on the story since Aug 23. Maybe she’s on holiday.
Anyway, as is the CPS way, they filed to “nonsuit” 10 more children with the caveat that being no longer under supervision doesn’t end what they like to call the CPS “investigation.” I find somewhat laughable Crimmins’ assertion, “CPS is satisfied that we don’t need the supervision of the court.” Welcoming clarification from CPS-mayhem-and-buffoonery experts, I suppose this means that CPS prefers to continue harassing the families without interference from a judge.
Finally, we learn from the article that “CPS lawyers are expected to nonsuit more cases in the coming weeks.” “They’re nonsuiting as they go along,” Crimmins said. No duh, eh? The question looms larger and larger, why were they ever removed from their homes in the first place?
Full story at Des News.
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“Kurt Schulske: The question looms larger and larger, why were they ever removed from their homes in the first place?”
Bullying people who are different–just because they can.
Then there’s money at stake–$4,000 adoption bonuses paid to the state per child adopted out and increased CPS funding in West Texas for the next year (2009), should they increase the number of children in custody this year (2008) over last year (2007). I believe that would be called greed.
I don’t pull this out of my arse….
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/laws_policies/cblaws/public_law/pl105_89/pl105_89.htm
I’m sorry, I can’t present you with the GSA’s books, so I can quite literally “SHOW YOU THE MONEY”. I would love to be able to do just that.
Unfortunately, you refuse even to take the word of a member of the Georgia House of Representatives who has spoken to this very law and this very motive for so many CPS child kidnappings, so I am totally unsurprised you don’t believe me either.
You continue to ask for “proof, not theory” on this, but what have you done towards disproving that which you seem to disbelieve?
It would seem you want us, your readers, to do all the work for you. You want us to find the information for you. As a lawyer you no doubt have far better contacts than I do for that sort of information.
I’m just a Mom who got threatened with CPS a few years back by an ex-husband and mother in law with their noses out of joint with me. As a result, I got educated and know *exactly* what this organization (CPS) is all about.
And it *ain’t* about protecting Children.
Find the money trail. Follow the money, you’ll have your answer, Kurt.
Jeny
Jeny –
I haven’t refused to take Schaefer’s word for anything. I’ve published her report — with approving text — multiple times on this blog. You’re completely misinterpreting my desire to see a fat money trail leading to a particular person or organization.
I’m asking for information leading to such a trail precisely because I believe such trails exist and because documenting a trail would be a compelling exhibit in an effort to reform or eliminate CPS.
You might try reading posts or comments so as to give them the most benign or agreeable interpretation possible instead of the opposite.
K
Kurt,
Why argue with her?
She doesn’t see anything except what agrees with her view 100%.
Txbluesman, Stop talking about yourself.
Jeny,
Your tenacity in pursuing the truth, when it comes to CPS and their lust for money is laudable.
You may, however, have misinterpreted what seems to have been a rhetorical question. “[W]hy were they ever removed from their homes in the first place?” Perhaps this wasn’t meant as a sincere question but as a piece of rhetoric?
Before saying anything so demeaning about someone else, “It would seem you want us, your readers, to do all the work for you. You want us to find the information for you”, I would pause to reflect on the intent of the question acting as a catalyst for my attack.
But then, maybe I’m in the wrong and you comment was meant as a bizarre satyr?
14 more cases nonsuited today. Here is what that means…
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,700254266,00.html
Cynthia Martinez of the Texas RioGrande Legal Aid Society, which represents more than 45 FLDS mothers, said 17 mothers’ children have been nonsuited.
“This means that the investigations have concluded and the mothers are no longer held to the restrictions originally set up by CPS (parenting classes, travel notifications, etc.),” she said in an e-mail to the Deseret News.
note they didn’t say the allegations were ruled out.
jeny, fyi, individual CPS workers do not get any money provided by the federal government for adoptions. the money is given to adoptive parents, who are eligible for an adoptive subsidy. this is to encourage people to adopt some of the thousands of children waiting for adoptive homes.
can you post some links proving that CPS in any state is receiving money for this? or any information indicating how individual caseworkers benefit from removing kids? i didn’t think so.
The sourceless raider attacks again!
“can you prove me wrong?”
That’s like saying: “nah, nah, nah I win!!!”
Maybe this is a teen from the CPS system that sits in their office daily cheering them on.
CC, obviously there was no abuse in those cases at all. CPS would have been subject to sanctions for filing frivolous pleadings (as well as malicious prosecution) had they proceeded with those cases.
Johannes Steiner { 08.27.08 at 2:07 pm } Jeny,
Your tenacity in pursuing the truth, when it comes to CPS and their lust for money is laudable.
You may, however, have misinterpreted what seems to have been a rhetorical question. “[W]hy were they ever removed from their homes in the first place?” Perhaps this wasn’t meant as a sincere question but as a piece of rhetoric?
Before saying anything so demeaning about someone else, “It would seem you want us, your readers, to do all the work for you. You want us to find the information for you”, I would pause to reflect on the intent of the question acting as a catalyst for my attack.
But then, maybe I’m in the wrong and you comment was meant as a bizarre satyr?
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Johannes,
When I presented this information YESTERDAY, KS’s response was “I want proof, not theory”. He wants the money trail. Well, I don’t have it. And I don’t have access to it. But it is there–no mistake about it. It is here.
Even a State of Georgia (USA) Member of the House of Representatives has confirmed this, but it is not good enough for Mr. Schulske.
If what has been offered so far is not good enough—why doesn’t Mr. Schulske go looking for that which he seeks? He seems to want his audience to do the work for him.
I don’t say this as an insult–I say this to point out that it’s all well and good to want the money trail, but to continue to say “I don’t want theory, I want proof”, without doing anything yourself to research the matter is lazy journalism (at best).
Again…not intended as an insult. Just pointing out that sometimes you have to work to get the fact and you can’t count on everyone else doing the work for you.
Best,
Jeny
Go Jeny! (But Mr Shulske AGREES with you, and wants ALL the info out here we can get),
THANKS!
And CC,
Police officers don’t have a “quota” either, but their ass-chewing boss does.
wow, did I bl0w the spelling of the host or what, I should be banned.
253 kids now have been nonsuited. Wow.
Pliggy: As they say in Hollywood, say what you will about me, but spell my name right. Just call him Kurt.
I think the money factor relative to the CPS is often overstated.
I see stronger motives rooted in the aberrant psychological pathology of many people who are drawn to such work. Frankly, I think many have neuroses similar to what we see in serial cat ladies and penitent do-gooders.
These are often the same types of people who “rescued” litle Indian children and “civilized” them and gave them “proper religion,” or who would tell you in the past that they were helping Africans by keeping them as slaves.
We also saw this psychological type take the children of the Australian Aboriginies and put them in white families. They also showed up in Canada and did the same thing there.
Unfortunately, too many people can’t see through the do-goodism of these self-annointed sainted souls to see that they are driven by neurotic complexes.
Their so-called good works often mask their psychological problems, and they’ll often harm or even cause the death of others to “save” them.
Some of these same types of people still think that they actually rescued the children in the Branch Davidian conflagration by burning them all up.
And, some of these neurotics think that they’re actually saving FLDS children by taking them from their parents and forcing them into various forms of deprogramming, which is simply an attempt to replace one set of religious views with others that the do-gooders subscribe to.
The money factor is not overstated. The increase in removals closely parallels the increase in federal funds — incentives to kidnap children from their families — the state agencies receive per child removed. CC-whatever is no doubt correct in saying that individual caseworkers don’t get bonuses, but I don’t think anyone claimed they did. But the agencies’ budgets are clearly affected. The documents published recently on this blog verify that the financial impact of the children being returned is a major problem for the state.
But yes, Bob, I believe you are right on about the appeal this line of work has for neurotic or sociopathic personalities. We’ve seen it on local level.