Texas CPS Gates Advisory: Is CPS a value subtractor?

i would appreciate you removing the information from your website that states that i am a CPS employee. it is untrue. i’m sure you don’t want to be providing incorrect information to your readers, and i definately would prefer untrue information not being advertised about me. thank you.

CC—you typed it up, you’ve been quoted exactly. Nothing has been added or taken away from your postings.

Perhaps you posted in the heat to the moment, and now wish you hadn’t identified yourself as a caseworker–but it was done by YOU. Nobody else. YOU chose to make that post. I think your words should stand.

You can’t come on here and lambast everyone, then regret what you said and ask for a deletion.

You need to play by the same rules we all do here—and take responsiblity for your words.

Just my .02.

Best,

Jeny

i did not identify myself as a caseworker. for all you know, i am a CASA volunteer, a district court judge, an attorney ad litem, a social work graduate student, a policy maker….the list goes on. there are many people from many walks of life who do not agree with the opinions of the posters on this blog.

wow, Joey, that was the most intelligent thing i have heard all day. clearly you are someone whose opinion is worth listening to.

ms. schulzke, it is fine if you leave that up, as it doesn’t really matter to me that you are spreading misinformation. i do find it telling that you and the majority of your readers assume that the only people who are not radically opposed to CPS and the removal of the FLDS children are CPS employees.

i would be interested to know what you and some of your readers think should be done about child abuse and neglect. if no CPS, then what? if CPS needs to be changed, what needs to be changed and how?

I’m not convinced that there even needs to be a CPS at all. What would happen if someone who wanted to report an abused or neglected child just called the police?

I’ll bet the accuser (or hoaxster) may think twice bout what they were doing and be more responsible.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-king/warren-jeffs-gives-12-yea_b_103666.html

Please do give us your honest opinion of the Profit (sp intended) and his 12-yr old bride.

Thanks

I can’t give you numbers, but I know, close up, of CPS removals that took place because a school teacher put words in a child’s mouth, then reported those words as being from the child. No one bothered to investigate; the CPS showed up at the family’s door and all heqq broke lose on that family. Not too different from the FLDS tragedy apart from the numbers involved.
I also know a CPS worker who chose that line of work (not the oldest profession, but it bears a distinct resemblance to it) because she had been sexually abused by a stepfather as an adolescent and she had been emotionally destroyed. She wanted to prevent that sort of thing. Unfortunately, she needed therapy herself, and as a caseworker, she visited her sadly warped personality on other people’s children.
How many others go get those BAs and work for $30,000 a year, handling other people’s alleged problems — when they have not adequately treated their own first? I suspect they are legion in that industry. If it continues to exist, there must be a thorough screening of applicants to eliminate those who have personality disorders and need treatment themselves.
Just read the studies. Kids do better at home than in foster care. We don’t need this value-lost industry.

Jeny said:

“Whatever role you play, it is obvious that YOU are part of the child protection racket that puts a steep price on the heads of American children, steals those children from their families and after a quick sale (TPR), sells them to new parents (the highest bidder). All of which is LEGALLY SANCTIONED, and you participate in.”

Man, can you pack any more hyperbole into one paragraph?

ok that was a little defensive, but true….CASA is involved after a removal—it’s a done deal at that time. There are times that after CASA intervention that children go home quickly- before the 14 day hearing. But it that is an exception. Working with CPS (NOT FOR CPS AS SOME WOULD SAY) is frustrating, aggrevating and often comical. However…if we are not the voice of reason, the Judge will only hear an attorney’s point of view and a rubber stamping CPS workers point of view. CPS workers by and large want to affect change but are so bogged down with rules and regs that they often come to CASA and ask us to advocate what *they* truely think is correct and good for the child and the family. CASAs are CASAs because they want to be, not because they have to be. None of us do this because we love to track down CPS workers, be stood up by Attorneys, bitten by angry, confused and hurting children and cussed out by strung out parents. We do it because if we don’t, no one will.

CASA worker, you call it intervention. I call it kidnapping. What Warren Jeffs did to families is child’s play compared to what you guys do.

And public schools and CPS are two peas in a pod. Just one of the many reasons NEVER to put your child in an abusive, public institution, like public school.

Here’s a good website that with pointers on how to keep your home schooled child out of foster care.
http://www.californiahomeschool.net/howTo/cps.htm

Here’s an article on a CASA worker who molests kids, maybe yours (while helping them of course).
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=65538

Absolutely amazing,
“I would rather be bitten and cussed at and be able to sleep at night knowing thatMerianne is safe from being exploited in the name of Warren Jeffs.”

I am SOO glad that you are having a hard time sleeping RIGHT NOW then!

Angie Voss is not only on the Board of Directors. She’s also a member of the Advisory Board. Any small wonder CASA in San Angelo is nothing more than a CPS funnel & mouthpiece?
http://www.cactomgreen.org/page.php?kei=26

““I would rather be bitten and cussed at and be able to sleep at night knowing thatMerianne is safe from being exploited in the name of Warren Jeffs.”

Yes…the truth colors have now been shown and they are ugly.

The children that bite and cuss seem to innately know an enemy when they see and hear one. I’d bite and cuss anyone that tried to separate me from my parents, too.

It’s a disgusting job and one that only the heartless seem to be able to perform… Do you tear the legs off spiders and the wings off flies, too?

CC0508.1.You should have provided a fair hearing for Barbara and Merrianne Jessop 2. There should have been a psychological evaluation of Merrianne before her removal from her home by someone independent of CPS. (Not that quack Dr. Perry) If the evaluation had said that Merrianne was psychologically healthy then you would leave her and her family alone. 3. If the upcoming evaluation of her 11 yearold brother shows him to be psychologically healthy, then you return Merrianne. 4. Learn that due process is something more than going through the appropriate motions.

Uh, Warren Jeffs is incarcerated. What risk does he pose to Merrianne that warrants incarcerating her for 3 years until she ages out? Are you assuming he had sex with her? CPS and the media exploited her.

kbp

You’d be amazed at the number of people who are “ballistic” with CPS.

It actually makes my life difficult when I represent parents. It’s hard to get anti-CPS people onto a jury. They are SO anti-CPS that they usually get excluded for cause.

I don’t think you do hear about it. However, it’s out there in pretty high numbers.

Some mistakes were made in the Bebe Gaines case, and they may have shut her down for the wrong reason, and she may have deserved a settlement for those errors….. but those kids were living in squalid conditions- I don’t care if they were “headed for prison”. If/when the comptroller’s report “Forgotten Children” comes back on line, you can view the conditions under which those kids lived. Deplorable. If you’re going to “care” for children, it should be in a humane way. You can’t stick them in tents in the woods without “evidence-based” therapy and expect their lives to improve.

Bebe was part of the multi billion dollar Teen Behavior Modification industry that is rampant with abuse and violations of children’s rights. So bad, that Federal Legislation intiated by Sen George Miller, was put into place. Google HB6358 (formerly 5876) 50 some kids have died in such programs and NO prosecutions. While many take only private-pay clients, and charge a hefty price, Bebe took both private-pay and state placed kids. Those that no one else wanted.

She was licensed by the other corrupt arm of TDFPS- Child Care Licensing, who was in there conducting regular inspections and allowed them to remain open and approved the deplorable conditions under which they lived. This is not an isolated case, there are several such “Wilderness Therapy”, “Outdoor Education” programs.

You can read more about this topic on the Fornits.com forum which is dedicated to exposing the abuse inherent to the industry. I would provide a link, to discussion specific to Bebe Gaines, and two of her employees, but I want this post to go through. Warning- this is a highly charged issue and it can get pretty nasty there. Skip through those and you’ll find a wealth of information in the archives. The site is run on a shoestring budget, so there are frequently problems with it. A couple of other sites to look at are ISAC- International Survivors Action Committee watchdog site. CAICA- Coalition Against Institutional Child Abuse. ASTART- Alliance for the Safe, Therapeutic and Appropriate Use of Residential Treatment.

One more thing about Bebe, when the state removed their kids and took her license, she did what all other programs do, change their classification to avoid state oversight. She went from Woodside Trails outdoor “therapy” program to Eagle Pines ACADEMY, exempt from licensure. Same people, same facility, same techniques. Crimmins received letters asking him not to let this happen. Out of his hands…. she was now a private school, not a residential treatment facility, and no longer under TDFPS jurisdiction. Bunk. They should look at “services provided” to determine if the facility needs to be monitored, not what they claim to be.

What’s notable about this case, is that the employee who was charged with sexual abuse was harrassed by CPS long after he was cleared of charges. CPS acts as a separate court system, and you have a life sentence with them. Didn’t matter that he was freed of charges, they continued to carry him as a perpetrator in their system and reeked all kinds of havoc in his life- forbidding him to be around his fiances kids, etc. Something’s very wrong with that picture. If he was proven innocent, then he should be removed from the CPS system. They don’t have the intellingence to handle the all-encompassing power they are sanctioned with.
Google Jackie Reynolds and read his saga. And know, that he is just one of many who have had to defend themselves against CPS/TDFPS. Many can’t afford to fight the corrupt system. Google “vs TDFPS or CPS or CCL” and you’ll find very little.

As far as what we would do instead of CPS, there are infinite possibilities that could be explored. BTW, CPS is just a broker of services. They determine which “experts” to send families to to get the services CPS thinks they need. Many more may step forward to seek assistance if they didn’t fear mistreatment and irrational demands by CPS.
In the meantime, given the level of devastation CPS can bring down on a family, false reporting should be a 3rd degree Felony.
There should be no anonymous reports accepted. CPS should go in assuming innocence until proven otherwise. Parents should be allowed to select the “experts” of their choice, not those hand-picked by the agency. Too much room there for corruption. Kids in care should not be drugged with mind-altering psych drugs, as 2/3s of the kids are. There’s much more… but I’m out of time.

That “rents” should be parents. This cordless keyboard requires better proof reading!

kbp

Yeah, it tells me the batteries are low. Where are my AA’s?

kbp

I don’t know that “ballistic” really is a bad word. I’ve yet to meet someone who is “mildly” anti-CPS.

PS. President Clinton’s legislation provides *specific* dollar amounts per child in care and per child adopted out. The amount increases when the child is adopted out.

I don’t recall the specific name of the legislation, but the aim was to encourage adoption and stop children languishing in foster care for years on end.

The initial motive was quite noble–however, the law of unintend consequences has played out fully in the FLDS case. And many other heartbreaking cases all over this country.

1997’s “Adoption and Safe Families Act”
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/laws_policies/cblaws/public_law/pl105_89/pl105_89.htm

This is the law Clinton signed that put a price each child’s head in this country.

Read the whole thing.

In the beginning it was a noble idea–and now almost 12 years later–it has become State Sanctioned child trafficking.

JMHO.

Linky: http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/cb/laws_policies/cblaws/public_law/pl105_89/pl105_89a2.htm#one

Adoption Incentive Payment.–

“(1) In general.–Except as provided in paragraph (2), the adoption incentive payment payable to a State for a fiscal year under this section shall be equal to the sum of–

“(A) $4,000, multiplied by the amount (if any) by which the number of foster child adoptions in the State during the fiscal year exceeds the base number of foster child adoptions for the State for the fiscal year; and “(B) $2,000, multiplied by the amount (if any) by which the number of special needs adoptions in the State during the fiscal year exceeds the base number of special needs adoptions for the State for the fiscal year.

“(2) Pro rata adjustment if insufficient funds available.– For any fiscal year, if the total amount of adoption incentive payments otherwise payable under this section for a fiscal year exceeds the amount appropriated pursuant to subsection (h) for the fiscal year, the amount of the adoption incentive payment payable to each State under this section for the fiscal year shall be–

“(A) the amount of the adoption incentive payment that would otherwise be payable to the State under this section for the fiscal year; multiplied by “(B) the percentage represented by the amount so appropriated for the fiscal year, divided by the total amount of adoption incentive payments otherwise payable under this section for the fiscal year.

“(e) 2-Year Availability of Incentive Payments.–Payments to a State under this section in a fiscal year shall remain available for use by the State through the end of the succeeding fiscal year. “(f ) Limitations on Use of Incentive Payments.–A State shall not expend an amount paid to the State under this section except to provide to children or families any service (including post-adoption services) that may be provided under part B or E. Amounts expended by a State in accordance with the preceding sentence shall be disregarded in determining State expenditures for purposes of Federal matching payments under sections 423, 434, and 474. “(g) Definitions.–As used in this section:

“(1) Foster child adoption.–The term ‘foster child adoption’ means the final adoption of a child who, at the time of adoptive placement, was in foster care under the supervision of the State. “(2) Special needs adoption.–The term ’special needs adoption’ means the final adoption of a child for whom an adoption assistance agreement is in effect under section 473. “(3) Base number of foster child adoptions.–The term ‘base number of foster child adoptions for a State’ means–

“(A) with respect to fiscal year 1998, the average number of foster child adoptions in the State in fiscal years 1995, 1996, and 1997; and “(B) with respect to any subsequent fiscal year, the number of foster child adoptions in the State in the fiscal year for which the number is the greatest in the period that begins with fiscal year 1997 and ends with the fiscal year preceding such subsequent fiscal year.

“(4) Base number of special needs adoptions.–The term ‘ base number of special needs adoptions for a State’ means–

“(A) with respect to fiscal year 1998, the average number of special needs adoptions in the State in fiscal years 1995, 1996, and 1997; and “(B) with respect to any subsequent fiscal year, the number of special needs adoptions in the State in the fiscal year for which the number is the greatest in the period that begins with fiscal year 1997 and ends with the fiscal year preceding such subsequent fiscal year.

“(h) Limitations on Authorization of Appropriations.–

“(1) In general.–For grants under subsection (a), there are authorized to be appropriated to the Secretary $20,000,000 for each of fiscal years 1999 through 2003. “(2) Availability.–Amounts appropriated under paragraph (1) are authorized to remain available until expended, but not after fiscal year 2003.

Ron in Houston—lookie right here, it tells you a LOT about the funding under this law:

“(A) $4,000, multiplied by the amount (if any) by which the number of foster child adoptions in the State during the fiscal year exceeds the base number of foster child adoptions for the State for the fiscal year; and “(B) $2,000, multiplied by the amount (if any) by which the number of special needs adoptions in the State during the fiscal year exceeds the base number of special needs adoptions for the State for the fiscal year.

“(2) Pro rata adjustment if insufficient funds available.– For any fiscal year, if the total amount of adoption incentive payments otherwise payable under this section for a fiscal year exceeds the amount appropriated pursuant to subsection (h) for the fiscal year, the amount of the adoption incentive payment payable to each State under this section for the fiscal year shall be–

“(A) the amount of the adoption incentive payment that would otherwise be payable to the State under this section for the fiscal year; multiplied by “(B) the percentage represented by the amount so appropriated for the fiscal year, divided by the total amount of adoption incentive payments otherwise payable under this section for the fiscal year.

“(e) 2-Year Availability of Incentive Payments.–Payments to a State under this section in a fiscal year shall remain available for use by the State through the end of the succeeding fiscal year. “(f ) Limitations on Use of Incentive Payments.–A State shall not expend an amount paid to the State under this section except to provide to children or families any service (including post-adoption services) that may be provided under part B or E. Amounts expended by a State in accordance with the preceding sentence shall be disregarded in determining State expenditures for purposes of Federal matching payments under sections 423, 434, and 474. “(g) Definitions.–As used in this section:

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In a very basic nutshell, if CPS does not increase their adoptions year over year (ie, 2007 vs. 2008), their funding gets CUT.

HOW is CPS to make sure each year the number goes up???

Answer: Round up more children.

465 white children from the FLDS would have easily been adopted out and they would have increased their funding for 2009 by $4,000 per head adopted out.

Losing all those FLDS kids is a huge funding increase that has just gone down the drain, NO?.

It’s just plain simple math.

56 Ron in Houston { 08.26.08 at 12:21 pm } Jeny

The purpose of that rule is to get kids whose parents have already been terminated out of foster care and to get them into a permanent adoption placement.

I’ll have to double check, but I believe most or all of that money in Texas goes to the adopting family and not to CPS.

I know Texas has an “adoption subsidy” and I specifically remember the figure of $4,000.

Having said all that, I have to admit that CPS presses much harder for termination/adoption than they did when I first started practicing over 20 years ago.
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I don’t disagree that good intentions were behind this law that President Clinton signed. Children in CPS custody at the time *were* spending far too long waiting for permancy plans and adoption.

Clinton used money as a incentive to fix that problem.

However, in doing so, he accidentally created an incentive for legalized child trafficking of American children.

He accidentally created HUGE incentive for CPS to take a child–any child from any parent–and basically Quick Sale them (TPR) over to new parents–in return for the State receiving those incentive payments and CPS receiving increased funding for their department the next year.

This is why I have maintained all along that the FLDS case was NOT ABOUT THE KIDS—follow the money.

465 kids x $4,000 per child =1,860.000

That’s a LOT of cash–most of which the Texas Supreme Court just sent back home, and Judge Walther is doing her best to cover her tail (and everyone in CPS’s) by bringing a few back to justify their greed and their illegal behavior.

Of course, this is all *MY* opinion purely.

Jeny

Nearly $2 million dollars.

Not bad money for a small West Texas County, eh?

One of the mental health workers at Fort Concho oberved that the CPS more concerned with the sexual abuse that was alleged than the emotional abuse they were inflicting. After seeing what they did to Merrianne, it is clear that they havent changed.

I don’t think it’s about the Federal dollars so much as the child-drugging industry, the child-placement industry, the child-advocacy industry, CPS itself (which needs an inventory of children for “managing” to justify its existence) and the hush-hush child kick-backs black market industry (for the especially adoptable adorable blonde kids). I’ll bet there’s some dept. head who has deals with wealthy folks to put them at the front of the line for any new especially desirable adoptees. Said dept head places pressure on rank and file to do whatever it takes to terminate parental rights as quickly as possible, then hand him the file. White babies can be worth hundreds of thousands in kickbacks. The word is on the street.

While on that “mo, mo, mo…”

Here is a word document listing all the contracts Contracts greater than $100,000.00

“Kurt Schulzke { 08.26.08 at 1:22 pm } Jeny — What do you mean by “the Texas Supreme Court just sent back home”? The $4,000 figure is one that I’ve seen not just in Texas but also in Georgia Senator Nancy Schaefer’s report. It’s also in the Adoption and Safe Families Act.

****But I want to see the money trail, not just talk about theory****. ”

All well and good. However, if you don’t go look for it, you’ll never find it.

What’s stopping you?

Bob–for the Texas FLDS children, they are under court order to stay IN Texas and cannot travel father than 60 miles from their home without permission from the courts/CPS. Indefinitely.

Probably not very helpful to them.

Jumping from CPS problems back to the case…

I have little doubt that the federal money creates the CPS monster that needs to be fed constantly, but I put little stock in idea that money carried the highest priority of possible motives behind the ranch raid.

“CurioiusTexan { 08.26.08 at 2:08 pm } Data shows that while the number of foster children in our state’s care increased 24 percent from 26,133 in Fiscal 2003 to 32,474 in Fiscal 2005, the number of deaths increased 60 percent.

The United States spends over $12 billion a year on “child protection”, one of the biggest businesses in our country. The money goes to tens of thousands of state employees and to supportive professionals such as lawyers, court personnel, court investigators, evaluators, guardians, judges, and also to contracted vendors through DSS such as counselors, therapists, residential facilities, foster parents, adoptive parents, Big Brothers/Big Sisters, YMCA, etc.

While the psychiatric drugs given to foster children cost millions of taxpayer dollars a year, it’s hard to know how much the doctors prescribing them are making from pharmaceutical companies. Texas, like most states, does not require disclosure.
It happens that the docs (not all shrinks) who are CPSs prefered docs often have ties to drug companies. Kickbacks can come in the form of perks and grants.”

Exactly. EVERYONE has their hand in the pie–and they want their slice of it.

CPS is BIG BU$INE$$.

For a LOT of folks with different (and competing) interests–none which seem to collide with the best interests of the CHILDREN and their PARENTS.

I have been screaming my head off about this for 13 years ever since my ex husband and his mother threatened to make false (anonymous) abuse and neglect allegations against me.

Their motivator? Money, of course. They wanted to end his child support obligation. They would have rather these children end up in foster care on a false accusation than for him to pay me a dime in their support–simply because I had the temerity to leave him–an abusive drunk. I left him *precisely* because I feared my children would end up emotionally/verbally and physically abused by him–the same way he treated me. I knew one day his abuse would move from me to them.

After their threats, I read up on CPS and what I learned about this agency SCARED THE HELL OUT OF ME.

Then I talked to my cousin the social worker–who used to work intake in Virginia. She was so disgusted by what is going on in the Child “Protection” racket, that she ended up leaving after only a year. She now works as a Juvenile Probation Officer in Virginia and her husband is a Police Officer. She’s not a heartless witch. She actually loves children and wanted to really make a difference in disadvantaged children’s lives. She couldn’t hurt innocent children the way she was ordered to hurt them when she wrenched them away from perfectly good parents when she worked intake. And she did that on way more than one occasion. That’s not to say there weren’t bad parents and bad conditions to contend with, there were. But she was too kind hearted to treat anyone the way the FLDS were treated….and that’s exactly how she was expected to carry out her job.

Anyone ever wonder why out in public a black mother can “whip” her misbehaving toddler across the fanny and nobody will raise an eyebrow, but if a white mother does the same with her toddler, there would be any number of do-gooders only too happy to turn her into to CPS for “abuse”?

Anyone ever notice that George Lopez in his stand-up routine jokes about the fact that white people can’t discipline or spank their children in public, but minorties can? Know why? Because it’s true.

Slice of the pie, baby. White children are *imminently adoptable*, whereas minority children are more difficult to place simply because there so many more of them in CPS custody, and adoptive parents looking for minority children are in short supply. Not so white adoptive parents looking for white children.

Slice of the pie, baby.

What about the fella who innocently bought his kid a “Mike’s Hard Lemonade” at a ball game? White guy. White kid. Security guard turned him in…..and he and his wife played hell getting their kid back. I’m guessing CPS saw a chance to do a quick TPR and adoption, get their adoption bonus AND increase their funding for next year.

Fortunately for that family, the Judge realized it was an innocent accident and it would *NEVER* happen again. This child was allowed to return home—but he was one of the lucky ones.

Slice of the pie, baby.

What Mr. Schulske said a few days ago about CPS being “rotten to the core” is SPOT ON.

It’s NO LONGER about the CHILDREN.

As Jerry Maguire once said:

SHOW ME THE MONEY—–SHOW ME THE MONEY.

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DISCLAIMER: Everything, ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, contained in this post is what ***I PERCEIVE*** to be the absolute truth in regards to the FLDS raid, CPS and the child “protection” racket in general.

My views DO NOT represent Mr. Schulske or his views. These are mine, and mine alone.

I apologize in advance if anything I said above is offensive toward anyone. That is NOT my intent. My intent is to GET AT THE TRUTH and share it with those who are blissfully unaware of the CPS numbers/$$ game–and I have expressed and shared THE TRUTH as I see it.

Before anyone calls me racist, I need to say this:

I love everyone–of all races. I am the farthest thing you’ll ever meet from racist. We own a home in a mostly black and hispanic neighborhood, where my little white family is the “minority”.

My newborn niece Makina (born two weeks ago) is mixed race (half white on her Dad’s side (my brother) and part black/puerto rican on her Mom’’s). I love her like I love my own children and woe is the person who makes an issue out of her race in front of me. They’ll be quite sorry.

At any rate, I’ve said quite enough and I need to scoot. I’ll be back later and we’ll see if my post stands.

*****hugs****** to all who truly love children and understand that they’re not chattel to be bought and sold like heads in a herd, or to be drugged into a $tupor over money and other greedy motives.

Jeny

Thomas Forguson,
The question is why the heck did they turn vicious instead of fix the mess they made?

Things used to be worse in terms of schools reporting until Texans For Safe Education stepped in.
Teachers were “diagnosing without a license”-your kids has ADD/ADHD/ODD, and districts were demanding kids be taken for Ritalin/Adderall/Fill in the blank. The parent could be reported for “medical neglect” if they didn’t cooperate.
No more. The most a school can legally do is report the behaviors they observe. It’s up to the parent to seek evaluation if they choose.

Maybe a lawsuit will convince them. As it is, they’re being far stingier with the evidence and far more provocative regarding this case to the public, than Nifong. If Nifong can get sued, why not these scumbag dishonest CPS workers and attorneys?
I think it’s past time these poor mothers and children, Merrianne and Barbara Jessop in particular, get an apology and conpensation for their needless pain and suffering. This whole saga has kept me sick to my stomach since it began.

“Thomas Forguson { 08.26.08 at 2:51 pm } Anti-poygamy activists, such as Flora Jessop, sold the state of Texas a bill of goods. CPS was convinced that they were “rescuing” women and children from polygamy. **When they learned the women werent grateful for being “rescued”, CPS turned vicious.**”

They certainly did. Right along with Judge Walther, Natalie Malonis, Sheriff Doran, Justice O’Neill and various and sundry others with malice on their minds.

“kbp { 08.26.08 at 1:36 pm } While on that “mo, mo, mo…”

Here is a word document listing all the contracts Contracts greater than $100,000.00″

That’s a awful lot of folks with a vested interest in seeing children in the full custody of CPS, rather than at home in the full custody of their God-given birth parents living happy (likely than not) normal childhoods.

Jen

That’s why when anyone says they need to do a psychiatric/psychological exam on you or your children, you should turn and run the other way.

Which reminds me that Ms. Voss talked to the media as well, reflecting on the Supreme Court ruling, and how sad she was that the CPS had to stop abusing those children and return them to their rightful parents; how the evidence that FLDS are abusers, which will all come out, was so overwhelming (in her mind).

Sad indeed Ms. Voss. You’ll be very sad when you get your law suit served.

(see article “Child-protection workers have no doubts of raid’s necessity” reprinted at http://religiouschildabuse.blogspot.com/2008_06_01_archive.html )

and also, Jeny, thank you for confirming my suspicion that many of you hate CPS so much because you have had CPS involvement yourselves. a good tip to not having to worry about having your children removed would be don’t abuse or neglect them.

Note to CC0508 and Casa Worker,

I happened to attend the 14-day hearing in San Angelo, where there was NO EVIDENCE OF EVEN ONE CHILD BEING ABUSED presented, other than what CPS called our “belief system”. Even Angie Voss admitted the children were healthy and happy, and that the parents appeared to love and take care of their children. In spite of this CASA stood up at the end of the hearing and recommended the court to retain the children. This bit about CASA not getting involved until the deed is done is BS. CASA and CPS are one and the same. CASA is more deceptive though, because they pretend to be a child advocate. To say they don’t recieve any benefits for child sales is not true. Their is a link between the two that will be uncovered in time.

CASA are wolves in sheep’s clothing, and cannot be trusted.

I would suggest for both of you to get an honest job somewhere if you can, before the CPS system goes down. Anyone in the nation who has any experience with CPS will back us up on this.

IMO, children should never be removed unless it’s so bad that the parent is charged with a crime. If CPS workers show up and there are no parents at home, as in the case yesterday in Houston, they should try to help the parent(s) by providing a daycare worker on the spot, for which the parent is charged. Give the parent a warning. Keep giving fines until the situation ameliorates or the parent voluntarily gives up custody. But in no case, IMO, should the government take someone’s children until the parent is booked and charged with criminal neglect, assault, or whatever. In other words, CPS would only have a service provider role, but in no case ever would it have the authority to remove a child from its parents.

CC0508

You must have been involved in the conspiracy to come into YFZ without any evidence on a false search warrant, or you only believe what you read in the media about “allegations” of abuse. Texas still doesn’t have even one thread of evidence of any abuse to children. Marriage in itself is not abuse, no matter what way you look at it. You are trying to tie marriage in with sexual abuse which is something that has not happened on the ranch. It is against FLDS beliefs. Any guilty of abuse would no longer be part of our culture.

the law considers that abuse. a person who is not abusing or neglecting their children, who is not allowing someone else to abuse or neglect their children, or who is not living in a situation wherein they are watching others abuse and neglect their children, is not apt to have to ever deal with CPS in their lives.

Pure, unadulterated bullshit. Does accidentally giving your child beer -on one occasion, with the child suffering no ill effects - constitute grounds for removal? If your babysitter gives your kids drugs without your knowledge or suspicion, is that grounds for removal? If a child is unlucky enough to be born with brittle bones, is that grounds for removal? What if CPS planned to take away your first child at birth on the grounds that you were treated for mental problems as a teenager? What if you were investigated by CPS because a medium told your child’s teacher you were abusive? And what would you say if at the same time a caseworker was trying to formally terminate your parental rights and a your child out, the potential adoptive parent strangled the child? All real examples, from Michigan, Texas, Maryland, England, Canada, and Maine, respectively. And I could come up with piles of even more situations like that. I can’t believe anyone truly believes that if you’re doing nothing wrong, you’ll have no problems with CPS.