On the theory that scores of pages of raw data are better than volumes of commentary, I have posted here transcripts of hearings in San Angelo, Texas involving Teresa Jeffs’ attorney ad litem, Natalie Malonis. One is for Teresa Jeffs’ May 21 “60-day” hearing. The other is the June 24, 2008 hearing on the Willie Jessop Temporary Restraining Order.
I acquired these transcripts within the past 24 hours and have not read them. Hence, I don’t know yet what they contain that may be of interest to different people. Once I have read them, I may add my commentary to that of others.
Sep 7 update: In addition, here is the unsealed portion of the May 30, 2008 hearing in which the issue of TJ’s possible motherhood is briefly discussed.
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A CPS wish?
More than half of young mothers give birth out of wedlock”
“Think of it as a new “normal” in American family life.
After creeping slowly and steadily upward most of the last 50 years, the number of babies born to young unmarried women quietly crossed a troubling threshold in 2006.”
Ms. Ellen Griffith – In regards to the visits and the placement of these children, can you tell us where these four children are placed?
Sandra Hanson – Teresa is placed at High Sky in Midland. Susan is at Baptist Children’s Home in Gonzales. William and Joseph are both at Cal Farley’s Boys Ranch.
Q. Ms. Jeffs is attempting to visit, I guess, eleven children at this time, correct?
Q. Is it the Department’s intention to attempt to to group these children, although some are cousins, but to group them as a sibling group and try to get them all together?
A. Yes.
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Mr. Tim Edwards – Now as far as the sibling reunification to the extent that you can group the the kids, that will be a positive thing for the children to be together, will it not?
Sandra Hanson – Yes.
Q. And in addition it will facilitate their being visited by Annette so she could see these kids without driving all over the State.
A. Yes.
Q. And and the Department has indicated it’s going to make a good faith effort to accomplish that as soon as possible.
A. Yes.
All prior to Malonis repeating the same topic, using a few different words. A topic the press had already reported on.
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THE COURT: Okay. And has the – since the father was listed as unknown, I’m guessing Mr. Jeffs has not been served on this or have you all –
MS. GRIFFITH: The amended petition does name him and a citation was issued. He’s not yet been served with that.
Natalie’s tremendous input, which followed this in the sequence of taking turns, then was the PRISONER ID#.
So the best you’ll get here for Natalie is that she was aware that Warren could not harm Teresa when she had contact with Teresa’s father restricted later!!
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SKK,
You & Abby each have more inaccuracies, twisted and irrelevant comments than any others.
kdp,
Not inaccuracies. I just dont read into affidavits whats not there as you and many others do.
By Ben Winslow
Deseret News
Published: September 7, 2008
ELDORADO, Texas — When a grand jury meets here later this month, criminal indictments could be handed down against more members of the Fundamentalist LDS Church.
Search warrants reveal new names under investigation by law enforcement for alleged underage marriages, the Deseret News has learned. The April 9 search warrants obtained blood, cheek and hair samples from five men, three of whom have already been indicted on sexual assault charges.
The warrants accuse Raymond Jessop, Leroy Jessop, Michael George Emack, Nathan Jessop and Jackson Jessop of fathering children with girls who were all about 16 years old.
Some of that information is based on initial interviews with the girls themselves.
“(The girl) referred to herself as the 10th wife of Nathan Jessop; that the father of her child is Nathan Jessop; and that (the girl) lived with Nathan Jessop at the suspected place and premises,” Texas 51st District Attorney’s investigator Diane Wilson wrote in a probable-cause affidavit filed with one of the warrants.
Law enforcement returned with DNA samples on April 14 to help establish paternity.
Some of the men have been previously named in search warrants served during the raid on the YFZ Ranch. Hundreds of thousands of pieces of evidence were removed from the temple grounds, including photographs, diaries, marriage and census records, and dictations by FLDS leader Warren Jeffs.
Some of that evidence has been used in child-custody cases over the hundreds of FLDS children taken into state protective custody during the raid. Texas Child Protective Services has said it has evidence of at least 10 underage marriages. A CPS caseworker testified during a court hearing last week that an investigation revealed “48 percent of the men at the ranch were involved in underage marriage practices.”
A CPS spokesman could not elaborate, citing the ongoing child welfare investigation.
Nathan Jessop is believed to be about 40 years old, according to another search warrant affidavit that authorities used in the raid. His wife is now 17 and was due to give birth in June, when she was still 16.
That same search warrant also said Jackson Jessop was 36. Wilson wrote that his alleged wife would have conceived her now 3-year-old son when she was 16.
A grand jury has been meeting for months here to consider evidence of crimes involving FLDS members. Six men, including Jeffs, have already been indicted on charges ranging from sexual assault and bigamy to failure to report child abuse.
Raymond Merril Jessop, 36; Allan Eugene Keate, 56; Michael George Emack, 57, and Merril Leroy Jessop, 33, are scheduled to appear in court here Monday.
The latest warrants also name an ex-member of the polygamous sect who gave information to Schleicher County Sheriff David Doran in the years leading up to the April 3 raid on the YFZ Ranch.
“Sheriff Doran advised affiant that Becky Musser has provided him with information regarding the FLDS on more than 100 occasions over the past four years, including as recently as April 8, 2008, and that, on each occasion, that information has proven to be reliable, true and correct,” Wilson wrote in the probable cause statement.
Becky Musser is a sister of Elissa Wall, who was the star witness in Utah’s case against Jeffs. Musser also testified at the trial and was married to Jeffs’ father, Rulon, when she was a teenager.
4 BY MS. MALONIS:
5 Q. Good morning.
6 A. Good morning.
7 Q. Would you state your name, please.
8 A. Adriana Pineira.
9 Q. And are you Teresa Jeffs’ child worker?
10 A. Yes, ma’am.
11 Q. How much contact weekly do you have with Teresa?
12 A. Any — anywhere between two to three times a week.
13 Q. Okay. And she is placed in Midland; is that correct?
14 A. Correct.
15 Q. All right. Has — has an educational assessment been
16 done for Teresa?
17 A. Yes, ma’am.
18 Q. And do you have any preliminary or final results from
19 that testing?
20 A. We do not have the results yet. However, the persons
21 who conducted the ARD, the admission review dismissal report,
22 did express that the children that are in the home were well
23 beyond target.
24 Q. Okay. And does — just as far as your observations of
25 and interactions with Teresa, does she appear to be an
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1 intelligent sixteen year old?
2 A. Yes, ma’am.
3 Q. Have you noticed any kind of deficits in her intellect
4 or — or education that would give you concern?
5 A. No, ma’am.
6 Q. Have you had any contact or — have you had any
7 contact with or has anybody at that facility that you’re aware
8 of had contact with Teresa’s father?
9 A. No, ma’am, not to my knowledge.
10 Q. Have there been any discussions about how to include
11 him in this process?
12 A. Nothing’s been discussed as to what services or how
13 we’re going to incorporate his feedback with the children’s —
14 you know, child plan of service. That still hasn’t been
15 disclosed.
16 Q. Okay. Have there been any discussions about
17 contacting him or at what point he’s going to be included in
18 the process?
19 A. No, ma’am.
20 Q. Do you — do you have any — do you have an idea when
21 that might take place?
22 A. No, ma’am, I don’t.
23 Q. Is there a plan to include him?
24 A. Yes, ma’am.
25 Q. Generally?
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1 A. Generally, by policy we are to contact both birth
2 parents.
3 Q. Okay. Do you — at what point did you learn who —
4 the identity of Teresa’s father?
5 A. My first initial visit she did disclose to me that her
6 father was Warren Jeffs.
7 Q. Okay. And is there a reason that he has not been
8 contacted?
9 A. I have no reason for that.
10 Q. Okay. Are there any particular policies at the
11 Midland facility with respect to Mr. Warren Jeffs?
12 A. As far as what? I’m sorry.
13 Q. Are — are there any policies at all at the facility
14 regarding Mr. Jeffs?
15 A. I was advised by the persons who are overseeing the
16 project that we were not allowing anything depicting Warren
17 Jeffs.
18 Q. Does that apply to all of the children?
19 A. Yes, ma’am. However, I do want to mention that some
20 of the items that both — that Teresa has, I’m not going to
21 force those things and pry those things away from her, which
22 include a photo album of her father.
23 Q. Okay. And what is your understanding for this policy
24 not to allow pictures of Mr. — of Teresa’s father?
25 A. Well, due to the fact that he is currently
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1 incarcerated for sexual assault to a minor. Therefore, by
2 policy, it is not in the children’s best interest to continue
3 to have contact regarding the perpetrator.
4 Q. And would that be a — a policy that would be
5 Department wide, not just specific to this case?
6 A. That is correct.
7 Q. Does that present particular difficult issues with
8 respect to Teresa?
9 A. Very much so.
10 Q. And is there — is — has the — has the staff and —
11 discussed with you a way of dealing with that, with those
12 difficulties?
13 A. We do have a therapist that addresses any issues at
14 any point of time if they wish to speak with — with Jay
15 Holguin, (sic) who I believe is the therapist. However, it’s
16 to their discretion as to what they’re going to disclose.
17 Q. Okay. Has Teresa participated in any type of
18 counseling related to that issue in particular?
19 A. No, ma’am.
20 Q. Has she spoken with you personally about that?
21 A. Yes, ma’am, very impersonal, though.
22 Q. What is her — what is her demeanor?
23 A. Well, she’s really wanting to have pretty much
24 everything: her own CDs, the Ipods, that it also includes
25 sermons regarding Warren Jeffs and so forth. And she would
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1 like to continue to have things that are about him.
2 MS. MALONIS: Objection, non-responsive.
3 Q. I asked you about her demeanor, her mood —
4 A. Oh, I’m sorry.
5 Q. — with respect to that issue.
6 A. Oh, well, she did get upset.
7 Q. Okay. Would — would you agree that it’s important to
8 have a — a particular plan in place for dealing with that
9 particular difficulty with respect to Teresa?
10 A. Yes, ma’am.
11 Q. Okay. Is that going to happen as far as you know?
12 A. Yes, ma’am.
13 Q. Okay. Would you also agree that the — that the
14 service plan as written would be difficult for Teresa’s father
15 to carry out?
16 A. I’m not sure.
17 Q. Okay. You have the service plan for the parents,
18 correct?
19 A. I don’t have that with me.
20 Q. And I don’t either.
21 MR. EDWARDS: May I provide one?
22 THE COURT: It’s your copy or the Department’s.
23 Let’s let the Department provide theirs.
24 MS. MALONIS: Thank you.
25 MS. GRIFFITH: Your Honor —
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1 THE COURT: Yes.
2 MS. GRIFFITH: — may I address the Court on this
3 issue? We are aware of the problem in regards to the specific
4 children of Mr. Jeffs. And once the DNA testing is returned,
5 the Department, program staff and legal staff are working on
6 developing what the limitations will be. I’m not sure how much
7 this caseworker can address the specifics of that.
8 MS. MALONIS: Okay.
9 THE COURT: And is it that you’re trying to take
10 into account the fact that he is the biological father; and so
11 even if he is a convicted sex offender, he might have different
12 rights than he would as just a member of — of an extended
13 family, is that —
14 MS. GRIFFITH: As to his own children, yes,
15 there would be different rights in regards to his contact with
16 his own children or photographs or things they could receive
17 regarding him.
18 THE COURT: So the Department, from what the
19 caseworker testified, it sounds like they’re making some
20 exceptions in that she’s been allowed to keep the family album
21 that has pictures, whereas other children that have been
22 removed from — from the ranch, if they are not biologically
23 related to Mr. Jeffs are not being allowed to keep that type of
24 documentation.
25 MS. GRIFFITH: That is correct.
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1 THE COURT: Okay.
2 MS. MALONIS: Okay. May I approach the witness,
3 Your Honor?
4 THE COURT: Yes, ma’am. If you want to just kind
5 of hand it across.
6 MS. MALONIS: I would like to.
7 Q. (MS. MALONIS) I’m handing you what the Department has
8 just handed me, which is the — which is the service plan for
9 Annette Jeffs and Warren Jeffs with respect to Teresa Jeffs.
10 If you’ll just glance through those tasks for a moment.
11 A. Okay.
12 Q. Would you agree that there’s going to be varying
13 ability to comply with that with respect to Annette Jeffs and
14 Warren Jeffs, as far as seeking job training, and because of
15 their living situations?
16 A. In reference to — to Mr. Warren Jeffs, yes.
17 Q. Okay. So just because their names are both listed on
18 the service plan, and the service plan is exactly the same,
19 that doesn’t mean they’re going to be treated the same; is that
20 correct?
21 A. That is correct.
22 Q. Okay. Have you met Ms. Annette Jeffs?
23 A. Yes.
24 Q. Have you — how much time have you spent with her?
25 A. I visited with her approximately two or three times
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1 during her visit with two of her children.
2 Q. Okay. And how many visits has she had with Teresa?
3 A. Approximately two or three.
4 Q. Okay. Has she visited every opportunity she’s had?
5 A. Yes, ma’am.
6 Q. That she’s been permitted to?
7 A. Yes.
8 Q. Is Teresa receiving any type of — of education?
9 A. At this time they just completed the assessments and
10 so we’ve asked Midland Independent School District to take —
11 to make an assessment of her school materials. And they’re
12 going to decide what approach they’re going to take from there
13 on out.
14 Q. Okay. How — how soon do you anticipate or what is
15 the soonest you anticipate some type of education being given
16 to the children in High Sky?
17 A. I don’t want to give you an approximation, because I’m
18 not sure as to when that’s going to take place.
19 Q. Okay. Has Teresa stated to you what her priorities
20 are as far as her goals in this process?
21 A. Yes, ma’am.
22 Q. And what are those?
23 A. One of the goals is that she wants to be placed with
24 her siblings. And another goal that she’s mentioned to me is
25 that she wants to go back home.
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1 Q. Okay. When — when Teresa says “go back home,” is it
2 your understanding that she means live with her mother?
3 A. Yes, ma’am.
4 Q. And that does not specifically mean go back to the
5 Ranch; is that your understanding?
6 A. Yes.
7 Q. Okay. Would you say that it is — it is equally or
8 near equally important for Teresa to be reunited with her
9 siblings as it is with her mother?
10 A. Yes, ma’am.
11 Q. Okay. Do you think that’s a goal that — that should
12 be looked into as far as trying to get that accomplished for
13 the well-being of Teresa and her siblings?
14 A. Yes, ma’am.
15 Q. Will you work for that to happen?
16 A. Yes, ma’am.
17 MS. MALONIS: Okay. I pass the witness.
Joey { 09.07.08 at 3:10 pm }
yes, SKK, she’s worse. She has a split personality [redacted]. One minute she’s all reasonable, the next she’s screaming her head off on the phone at a 17 year old. One minute, she’s acting all sympathetic with T’s mother, the next she’s threatening to put her kids in foster care, if T don’t stop tattling on her to Queen Barbie.
You’ve seen the actual transcripts of her words and those cannot be denied.
Consider that what you’ve been told about screaming over the phone or threatening to put kids in foster care just might perhaps be an inaccurate account of what really happened.
12 [MALONIS]: You said a citation had been issued
13 for Warren Jeffs. Do you have a plan to get him served fairly
14 soon? I would like for him to have the opportunity to
15 participate.
SKK I’ve also seen Malonis in a very “reasoned” tone argue in favor of the Appeals court ruling being overturned by the Supreme Court. Has any one asked her lately whether she still think all the kids should be in foster care?
google all the wake up america and san angelo times interviews with Malonis.
And I still don’t have a clear idea what exactly Malonis is purporting to protect her 17 year old client from. As the latest article in the San Angelo times describes her last court ordeal, it is simply bizarre.
Strange that Ms Malonis was the attorney ad litem for one of the women who was considered a minor, and yet Ms Malonis proved she was an adult.
Oh yeah, shes a BAD woman and attorney…… NOT!!
Abby, SKK, may it please the court to hear the pleadings of one Ms Theresa Jeffs:
On June 20, after Teresa had written her letter to Judge Walther requesting a new attorney, Malonis sent to Teresa the following in an e-mail message:
“Writing that letter to the Judge was about the most foolish thing you could have done. The Judge is now convinced that you are not able to make good decisions for yourself, and she is convinced also that your mother is not able to make proper decisions for you either Teresa, the Judge wants to take you back in custody and what’s worse is that these poor choices may end up with your siblings back in custody if the Judge and CPS think your mother is not able to reign you in. The judge would probably not allow me to withdraw right now even if I requested it because the Judge sees me as the only person who is looking out for what is in your legal interests.”
One of the major criticisms of the FLDS women and children is that they are brainwashed and unable to think for themselves. Yet when Malonis encounters a young lady who does think for herself and has the determination to stand by her decisions, she threatens her that if she continues in such a course both she and her brothers and sisters will be returned to CPS custody. Obviously Malonis wants Teresa to make her own decisions only when they are the ones that she and Judge Walther want her to make, and she is quite willing to use threats and intimidation to achieve this result.
–from Truth will Prevail “Who’s Intimidating Whom?”
I am just amazed by anyone that can prove an adult is not a child!!
NOT
And the order of the testimony taken makes Malonis’ questioning on the same topics irrelevant when trying to prove she did some good for Annette, Warren or Teresa.
Nice try.
skk: you are too much. Your claim that Rebecca Muser provided reliable information is laughable. The auhtorities thought there were 15o people at the XYZ Ranch. Turns out there were over 600. Doran’s informant didnt know very much.
That’s because Doran’s informant had never been on the ranch, didn’t know who lived on the ranch, and only wanted to stir up a hornet’s nest for the FLDS.
Let me see…for one millstone for every one of these ‘offended’ children is over 400 millstones for Flora.
Nice.
??? where did I say anything about Rebecca Muser?
You didnt SKK, I posted the latest story in Desert News today. I mentioned Rebecca Musser.
Chai Tea
What makes you think you have Live somewhere to know what is happening? How do you know that Rebecca Musser wasnt in contact with people at the ranch?
There were musser children at the ranch, on the bishop list.
old young one –
TJ was not “thinking for herself” when the letter was written. Her mother admitted that it was written by several adults (as if that wasnt obvious). As far as Malonis’ response, it sounds like she is trying to keep TJ out of custody, not put her back in.
more spin on the facts…
SKK, these people are going to beleive anything other than facts!
Abby,
you said:
TJ was not “thinking for herself” when the letter was written. Her mother admitted that it was written by several adults (as if that wasnt obvious).
Did you pull that straight out of the media? The same media that published everything else (as though it were complete truth) that CPS said through this whole [armed robbery, kidnapping at gunpoint, "just put them in jail and we'll sort this out later" police state] fiasco?
Maybe point out a link to something that wasn’t pushed through MSM so can know, too
So I can know, too these things you hold to be true.
So let me get this straight. Attorneys are permitted to intimidate and threaten their clients but law enforcement officers are not? Constitutional protections don’t apply when the agent of the government is an AAL? Hello??!!
No one at the Ranch wants anything to do with Becky Musser.
Of course Teresa can’t think for herself! She’s a “victim.” Child victims have no brains, even when they’ll be turning 18 in 10 months. However, if Teresa had committed some kind of crime, the story would be otherwise. There was a very interesting Newsweek article by Dahlia Lithwick, entitled “When Age is Just a Number” discussing this.
Abby,
I have no clue who Musser is. I didn’t mention her.
What cracks me up with Malonis in the transcript is that she acts all concerned that Mr. Jeffs be notified as to the service plan so he can ‘PARTICIPATE’ and her next step is to have him banned from Teresa’s life.
Yea. Nice.
LOL Abby… You are too funny!
What makes me think that I have to LIVE somewhere to know what is happening?!?!?!??
How about common sense?
Here’s a test. Tell me what I did yesterday, with whom I did it and where I went (if anywhere).
You can’t? How come?
Oh. I know. You don’t live with me so you have no clue what I did.
DUH.
(chuckles again…” What makes you think you have Live somewhere to know what is happening?” ~ Abby)
Oh…so Musser is Elissa Wall’s sister.
Well, there goes her credibility!
LOL LOL LOL
Can someone explain why Mrs. Jeffs is called “Annette” Jeffs in the transcripts but all the newspaper articles refer to her as Barbara?
I’m confused.
Annette is the mother of Teresa Jeffs and Barbara Jessop is the mother of Merrianne Jessop.
Chai Tea
If I talked to you on the phone everyday, then Im supposing I would know what you did yesterday. Right?
Unless you lied to me?
Why is fact Musser testified on behalf of her sister make her uncrediable?
Im amazed, that women beleive that abuses havent taken place at YFZ. And women who experienced it, saw it, testified against it,,, all of a sudden lose credibility.
Chai Tea
The fact you dont know the difference after this length of time who Annette Jeffs is, and who Barbara Jessop is, is laughable… lol
Abby –
If you are trying to persuade Chair or others to your point of view, laughing at her/their questions is not the way to do it. Care to try again?
K
Abby: Rebecca Musser was never at the XYZ Ranch. People who leave any religion have a vested interest in emphazing the negative. Their current testimony will reflect their role as anti-poygamy activists rather than their actual experiences within the FLDS. Lastly, name the women, who have actually been at the XYZ Ranch, who have testified about alleged abuses at the Ranch.
Abby: If you havent found all these Jessops and Jeffs confusing, you havent been following this story
Thomasl, Yes I did find them confusing at the begining, but there are plenty of documents and lists online of families, you do figure out who belongs to who. And since Annette Jeffs and Barbara Jessop have been two mothers in the news so much lately, with thier daughters Theresa and Merrianne, I would think people would realize who they were talking about.
Kurt, I have no intention of what your saying, “bringing anyone to my way of thinking”
As far as Chai Tea goes, I was just explaining her ignorant remark back to her, that communications at YFZ were cell phones and computers. Some family members have since YFZ has been established talked to other family members who were excommunicated.
Although truth is , they havent seen them, doesnt mean they havent communicated in some way. I find your blog interesting but realize not everyone is interested enough to do the reasearch. They just fall on one side or the other.
4 indicted FLDS members arraigned
By Jayna Boyle (Contact)
Originally published 11:00 a.m., September 8, 2008
Updated 11:00 a.m., September 8, 2008
Four men facing criminal charges as an outcome of the April raid on a polygamist sect’s YFZ Ranch in Schleicher County today saw their bond conditions relaxed and were assigned a date for a pretrial hearing.
Judge Barbara Walther presided over a formal arraignment this morning at the Schleicher County courthouse in Eldorado for Raymond Merril Jessop, 36; Allan Eugene Keate, 56; Michael George Emack, 57; and Merril LeRoy Jessop, 33. The men, members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, were indicted by a Schleicher County grand jury July 22 on charges of sexual abuse of a child and turned themselves in shortly after.
They have been free on $100,000 bond since Aug. 6.
Walther, after consulting with a team of three defense attorneys and several representatives from the Attorney General’s Office, settled on Oct. 27 as a date for a pretrial status hearing for all four defendants.
On a motion by defense attorney Randy Wilson, Walther approved an amendment to the bond conditions that will allow all four men to travel outside Schleicher County within Texas. Emack, a resident of Utah, received permission to go to his home state to bring a truck and tools back to Texas so he can work while awaiting trial.
Funny. If Musser had so much inside info, why is it that she didn’t tell Doran an accurate (not even ballpark) number of people living on the ranch?
Abby-
Then I find it amusing that you don’t know that Teresa Jeffs doesn’t have an “h” in her name. It’s not Theresa it’s Teresa. That’s okay because Hannah and MaddyB make the same exact mistake.
Barbara
My guess as to the confusion of “Barbara” and “Annette” is that Annette’s late sister is Barbara, who was mentioned numerous times in the transcripts Kurt so kindly shared, as was Barbara walther.
As for Musser’s credibility, who appears to be Sheriff Doran’s main informant, doesn’t anyone find it hard to believe anyone who told Doran that men older than 17 YO used to temple bed to boink girls on a regular basis!!
“…used THE temple bed”
Just a point of information:
The Barbara referred to in the news articles and court transcripts is Barbara Jeffs, not Barbara Jessop.
Barbara Jeffs is Annette’s sister and sister-wife (also married to Warren Jeffs). She is deceased; Annette is the legal guardian of her children.
Barbara Jessop is Merrianne’s mother and Merrill Jessop’s wife. She is referred to in a different set of news articles and a different set of court transcripts.
Thanks Abra…I spent last night caring for my mother and lack of sleep is taking its toll. I did figure it out after Abby’s snide remark, but hadn’t had a chance to respond.
Thank you, again, for your courteous response.
Huh?
Her name has been spelled Theresa and Teresa in both news stories and documents.
Just as in documents Suzanne Jeffs, wants to called Susan.
There was also a woman on the ranch who died a couple of years ago of cancer, am thinking her last name was barlow?
The woman who died of cancer was one of the wives of Warren Jeffs. If this were about justice, they would indict Angie Voss. The real child abuse has been committed by CPS.
Abby, I apologize for being sarcastic. I was out of line.
I apologize to you to Chai Tea, I shouldn’t of been sarcastic back. Just one of those days:)
Kurt,
By a quick glance it appears that your posts about FLDS have more publicity than any others, judging by the number of posts. It seems like politics is almost a side issue.
Keep those FLDS posts coming. Thanks for all you do.
Everyone posts on politics, only a few people follow the FLDS story – and even fewer post balanced information.
Barbara Barlow Jeffs is Annette’s sister who passed away.
Becky Wall Musser is a former plural wife of Rulon T Jeffs, she left the church with her young boyfriend Ben Musser a few months after Rulon Jeffs died. Ben was my coworker at CMC and one time fishing buddy, and Becky was a former classmate of mine at Alta, she would come and flirt with Ben and another young fellow that worked with me at CMC practically every day until Ben quit and went to work elsewhere. She was sticky gooey sweet toward me as well, and I actually warned Ben to stay away from her. She had been involved with seducing a married man (“indecent proposal”, nothing happened) not too long before and that man was disfellowshipped from the church (later he was restored, but only until he did something worse).
After they left the community and moved up to Seattle, they had a child, and Ben called his father (who still worked with me) and was complaining to him that Becky told him the child was not his but was Rulon Jeffs, and that Warren would try to come and take their baby. Ben is about 8 years younger than Becky.
This was all before YFZ was started.
She is no more credible than Flora, but I still have little doubt that Flora was more relied upon by Dorknob and Long than Becky was.
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