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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 00:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like this debate has closed but Thomas Jefferson nicely summed this up with one quote.  
&quot;I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by
deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.&quot;

One other quote from Jefferson is applicable.
&quot;My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government&quot;

This probably plays in most of the current debacles we are currently facing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like this debate has closed but Thomas Jefferson nicely summed this up with one quote.<br />
&#8220;I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by<br />
deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.&#8221;</p>
<p>One other quote from Jefferson is applicable.<br />
&#8220;My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government&#8221;</p>
<p>This probably plays in most of the current debacles we are currently facing.</p>
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		<title>By: Interesting Statistics From Dave Ramsey Townhall for Hope - Benzworld.org - Mercedes Benz Discussion Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interesting Statistics From Dave Ramsey Townhall for Hope - Benzworld.org - Mercedes Benz Discussion Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 05:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] digging Tboy, you might actually learn the truth.    Now why don&#039;t you run along and read this:  Subprime Meltdown Explained from a CPA  And if you disagree with the facts posted please feel free to respond with whatever you [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] digging Tboy, you might actually learn the truth.    Now why don&#8217;t you run along and read this:  Subprime Meltdown Explained from a CPA  And if you disagree with the facts posted please feel free to respond with whatever you [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Homeland Security warns of 'right-wing radicals'; 9-page report sent to police... - Page 17 - Benzworld.org - Mercedes Benz Discussion Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Homeland Security warns of 'right-wing radicals'; 9-page report sent to police... - Page 17 - Benzworld.org - Mercedes Benz Discussion Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Originally Posted by mcbear   Nice try skippy. It doesn&#039;t work when I have already posted up the info. I don&#039;t repost just because YOU don&#039;t have the brain cells to remember what was posted or where to find it. But you are correct, the truth does get out. It is just not what you seem to want to think it is.   But you keep those right wing blogs close at hand. They have served you so well in the past. At some point in your life you will, in the night ask yourself why folks don&#039;t take you seriously. That will be but one of the reasons.   Enjoy.    No problems McBare! You just keep up with the whole mischaracterization thing.  The posts stand for themselves really. Yours of course fall when under scrutiny with information from my posts, but that is ok. We still like having you around!  And just for reminders, this is the link that you refuse to answer.  Subprime Meltdown Explained. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Originally Posted by mcbear   Nice try skippy. It doesn&#8217;t work when I have already posted up the info. I don&#8217;t repost just because YOU don&#8217;t have the brain cells to remember what was posted or where to find it. But you are correct, the truth does get out. It is just not what you seem to want to think it is.   But you keep those right wing blogs close at hand. They have served you so well in the past. At some point in your life you will, in the night ask yourself why folks don&#8217;t take you seriously. That will be but one of the reasons.   Enjoy.    No problems McBare! You just keep up with the whole mischaracterization thing.  The posts stand for themselves really. Yours of course fall when under scrutiny with information from my posts, but that is ok. We still like having you around!  And just for reminders, this is the link that you refuse to answer.  Subprime Meltdown Explained. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Homeland Security warns of 'right-wing radicals'; 9-page report sent to police... - Page 16 - Benzworld.org - Mercedes Benz Discussion Forum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Homeland Security warns of 'right-wing radicals'; 9-page report sent to police... - Page 16 - Benzworld.org - Mercedes Benz Discussion Forum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a very good explanation of how it got to be such a big hairy fur ball. Please see the following:  Sub Prime Loan Crisis Explained.  In part is says:   [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a very good explanation of how it got to be such a big hairy fur ball. Please see the following:  Sub Prime Loan Crisis Explained.  In part is says:   [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds so much like a different form of affirmative action. &quot;You don&#039;t have to work hard and get a good GPA.....we will put you in college anyway.  &quot;You don&#039;t have to make enough to own a home or pay us back.......we will get you into one anyway&quot;.  We have become soft, there is no incintive to strive to improve. We can have what everyone else does and do nothing on our part to help......just sit back and get the handouts.  It&#039;s so depressing</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds so much like a different form of affirmative action. &#8220;You don&#8217;t have to work hard and get a good GPA&#8230;..we will put you in college anyway.  &#8220;You don&#8217;t have to make enough to own a home or pay us back&#8230;&#8230;.we will get you into one anyway&#8221;.  We have become soft, there is no incintive to strive to improve. We can have what everyone else does and do nothing on our part to help&#8230;&#8230;just sit back and get the handouts.  It&#8217;s so depressing</p>
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		<title>By: Nothing New but some thing it is. - Page 2 - US Message Board</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nothing New but some thing it is. - Page 2 - US Message Board</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:13:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as well as the House of Representitves wouldve impeached him... Oh and heres them links ya wanted Hidden Clinton &#8220;Success Story&#8221;: Fannie Mae subprime loans for minorities UPDATED: Obama Sued Citibank Under CRA to Force it to Make Bad Loans &#124; Media Circus Pelosi blocks [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as well as the House of Representitves wouldve impeached him&#8230; Oh and heres them links ya wanted Hidden Clinton &#8220;Success Story&#8221;: Fannie Mae subprime loans for minorities UPDATED: Obama Sued Citibank Under CRA to Force it to Make Bad Loans | Media Circus Pelosi blocks [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What will Obama talk about for 30 minutes? - Page 5 - US Message Board</title>
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		<dc:creator>What will Obama talk about for 30 minutes? - Page 5 - US Message Board</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] laid off aren&#039;t hurting.     And here&#039;s what the democrats have done in less time...read the links Hidden Clinton &#8220;Success Story&#8221;: Fannie Mae subprime loans for minorities UPDATED: Obama Sued Citibank Under CRA to Force it to Make Bad Loans &#124; Media Circus Liberalism Is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] laid off aren&#8217;t hurting.     And here&#8217;s what the democrats have done in less time&#8230;read the links Hidden Clinton &#8220;Success Story&#8221;: Fannie Mae subprime loans for minorities UPDATED: Obama Sued Citibank Under CRA to Force it to Make Bad Loans | Media Circus Liberalism Is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shock: Mccain Campaign Volunteer Attacked And Mutilated In Pittsburgh - Page 14 - US Message Board</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shock: Mccain Campaign Volunteer Attacked And Mutilated In Pittsburgh - Page 14 - US Message Board</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 18:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]    Exactly right, both Clinton and Obama(ACORN) had ties to and strong armed freddie and fannie Hidden Clinton &#8220;Success Story&#8221;: Fannie Mae subprime loans for minorities and Obama suied UPDATED: Obama Sued Citibank Under CRA to Force it to Make Bad Loans &#124; Media Circus [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]    Exactly right, both Clinton and Obama(ACORN) had ties to and strong armed freddie and fannie Hidden Clinton &#8220;Success Story&#8221;: Fannie Mae subprime loans for minorities and Obama suied UPDATED: Obama Sued Citibank Under CRA to Force it to Make Bad Loans | Media Circus [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does &quot;Al&quot; have a clue?  These same banks do not hold prime loans any more so than subprime loans.

It was the responsibility of the GSEs (i.e. Fannie Mae) to make sure the loans were solid.  Why?  Because of the implicit government guarantee to support the GSEs.

We the taxpayers are now on the hook.

Had Fannie/Freddie standards been solid enough, including sufficient down payments to prevent the moral hazard which has unfolded, the GSEs would never have purchased these mortgages in the first place.

And within about 60 milliseconds, the primary lending institutions would have stopped making subprime loans, knowing that they would have to keep them on their books.  All of which would have prevented the problem in the first place.

The moral hazard of borrowers and GSEs with nothing to lose, have created the largest financial problem since the 1930s. 

Greed has always existed and always will.  Focusing on it is a gigantic waste of time and effort.  Greed, fear, sloth and stupidity can not be legislated or litigated against.

Instead, it found a willing partner in GSEs and loosened lending standards pushed by government.

This mess is not the fault of capitalism.  It is completely the fault of government.

Now I understand what &quot;Community Organizing&quot; really means: &quot;lifting up the poor by tearing down the middle class&quot;.

Someone who made little or no down payment and now walks away from their responsibility, has not lost anything.  They got to live in a house at a cost less than the equivalent rent.  On the flip side, the middle class has lost greatly.

For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really disappointed in my country.

God help us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does &#8220;Al&#8221; have a clue?  These same banks do not hold prime loans any more so than subprime loans.</p>
<p>It was the responsibility of the GSEs (i.e. Fannie Mae) to make sure the loans were solid.  Why?  Because of the implicit government guarantee to support the GSEs.</p>
<p>We the taxpayers are now on the hook.</p>
<p>Had Fannie/Freddie standards been solid enough, including sufficient down payments to prevent the moral hazard which has unfolded, the GSEs would never have purchased these mortgages in the first place.</p>
<p>And within about 60 milliseconds, the primary lending institutions would have stopped making subprime loans, knowing that they would have to keep them on their books.  All of which would have prevented the problem in the first place.</p>
<p>The moral hazard of borrowers and GSEs with nothing to lose, have created the largest financial problem since the 1930s. </p>
<p>Greed has always existed and always will.  Focusing on it is a gigantic waste of time and effort.  Greed, fear, sloth and stupidity can not be legislated or litigated against.</p>
<p>Instead, it found a willing partner in GSEs and loosened lending standards pushed by government.</p>
<p>This mess is not the fault of capitalism.  It is completely the fault of government.</p>
<p>Now I understand what &#8220;Community Organizing&#8221; really means: &#8220;lifting up the poor by tearing down the middle class&#8221;.</p>
<p>Someone who made little or no down payment and now walks away from their responsibility, has not lost anything.  They got to live in a house at a cost less than the equivalent rent.  On the flip side, the middle class has lost greatly.</p>
<p>For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really disappointed in my country.</p>
<p>God help us.</p>
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		<title>By: hand me a cigar bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>hand me a cigar bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 04:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al, thats really ignorant - you say...&quot;The truth is that private banks wanted to push the more profitable subprime loans, but they didn’t want to take the long-term risk of holding loans that they knew would not be paid off in the long term, once the interest rates ballooned. So the republican friends of the bankers pushed through legislation that allowed Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and AIG to buy these loans from them so that they would actually inherit the risk in loans they did not realize the inherent risk of. &quot;

First of all, it would probably be best if you knew the subject you were taking about before spouting off. If the brokerage firms and FDIC banks had sold all this stuff to Fannie and Freddie as you say..... they wouldn&#039;t be collapsing...now would they? If they had sold all this garbage to fannie and freddie they would be sitting pretty. Next, it is not the subprime default rate that has driven the banking system, wall street or fannie and freddie to the brink of utter collapse. Your post says that... and that is utterly false. Default rates are still actually pretty low.  What has cuased most if not all of the banking, brokerage and fannie and freddie failures has been a lack of funding from investors. Fannie, and Freddie as well as many other insitutions are dependent on investors lending them money for the short term at lower rates and tehn lending that money for teh long term at highe rrates. Thats how they make/made their money. If all of a sudden teh shortr term investors providing the money for Freddie or Fannie or wall stret or an FDIC bank...if all of a sudden those short term investors don&#039;t want to laon that institution shor tterm mone hythen the institution has to sell off chucks of its portfolio. And as we all know....if everyone knows you are being forced to sell off your stuff.... you don&#039;t get a very good price for it...and you wind up selling thinsg at fire sale prices and ...chances are.... you take a honkin losss.

Specifically, with fannie and freddie... the chinese and a bunch of other foreign governments who are some of teh main financers of fnma and fhlmc....said one day, &quot;thats enough ...we aren&#039;t going to lend to you gusy anymore...its too risky.&quot; That is what forced the gvot to steo in and take over. It had nothing to do with subprime losses being so large that they could not handle it. FHLMCand FNMA  were siting on tons of cash to cover obligations the day the govt decided it was best to take over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al, thats really ignorant &#8211; you say&#8230;&#8221;The truth is that private banks wanted to push the more profitable subprime loans, but they didn’t want to take the long-term risk of holding loans that they knew would not be paid off in the long term, once the interest rates ballooned. So the republican friends of the bankers pushed through legislation that allowed Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and AIG to buy these loans from them so that they would actually inherit the risk in loans they did not realize the inherent risk of. &#8221;</p>
<p>First of all, it would probably be best if you knew the subject you were taking about before spouting off. If the brokerage firms and FDIC banks had sold all this stuff to Fannie and Freddie as you say&#8230;.. they wouldn&#8217;t be collapsing&#8230;now would they? If they had sold all this garbage to fannie and freddie they would be sitting pretty. Next, it is not the subprime default rate that has driven the banking system, wall street or fannie and freddie to the brink of utter collapse. Your post says that&#8230; and that is utterly false. Default rates are still actually pretty low.  What has cuased most if not all of the banking, brokerage and fannie and freddie failures has been a lack of funding from investors. Fannie, and Freddie as well as many other insitutions are dependent on investors lending them money for the short term at lower rates and tehn lending that money for teh long term at highe rrates. Thats how they make/made their money. If all of a sudden teh shortr term investors providing the money for Freddie or Fannie or wall stret or an FDIC bank&#8230;if all of a sudden those short term investors don&#8217;t want to laon that institution shor tterm mone hythen the institution has to sell off chucks of its portfolio. And as we all know&#8230;.if everyone knows you are being forced to sell off your stuff&#8230;. you don&#8217;t get a very good price for it&#8230;and you wind up selling thinsg at fire sale prices and &#8230;chances are&#8230;. you take a honkin losss.</p>
<p>Specifically, with fannie and freddie&#8230; the chinese and a bunch of other foreign governments who are some of teh main financers of fnma and fhlmc&#8230;.said one day, &#8220;thats enough &#8230;we aren&#8217;t going to lend to you gusy anymore&#8230;its too risky.&#8221; That is what forced the gvot to steo in and take over. It had nothing to do with subprime losses being so large that they could not handle it. FHLMCand FNMA  were siting on tons of cash to cover obligations the day the govt decided it was best to take over.</p>
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