Not that anyone’s paying attention, but . . . today, Texas CPS “non-suited” three more of the FLDS kids that it illegally confiscated back in April. It’s become almost a daily ritual, tallying up the latest non-suits. At this rate, with roughly 200 kids to go, nearly all of those remaining could be free by Christmas. Wouldn’t that be nice, nine months after Texas official terrorist organization first broke into the YFZ Ranch on the strength of a fraudulent search warrant.
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ARE YOU SERIOUS?!!!
A CULT?!
You tell me that I need to do my homework but it sounds like you need to do yours. Yes there are bad foster parents out there. Yes there are bad power-tripped CPS workers. But to be honest that is not the norm.
My story started when I was 3 months old. My bio mother was asleep in the bedroom and had my 11 yr old sister watch me and my 1 yr old brother. She had me in the swing by the window and we had a mental disturbed man that lived above us. He came down the stairs swing a hammer and it accidently came thru the window and hit me in the head. My bio mom never came out of her room the whole time the police and ambulance was there. I spent the next 3 yrs at Riley Hospital. All us kids were taken from the home but she fought to get the other two back. She left me in the hospital by myself. She got them back but signed her rights away on me.
20 yrs later I found them but the grace of God. I am so glad she did not fight for me. My life was so much better than the others. I grew up with a family that loved me. My brother was shot 7 different times and stabbed 13 different times over the years by our bio mother. He was in and out of the system because she always fought to get him back. They are not productive citizens.
Do you really believe that I would have been better off staying with my mother?
To show how laws make things hard for some CPS workers. . .
In the state of Indiana CPS by law cannot just come into your home without setting up an appointment with you unless escorted by the police. If the problem is the fact that the children are living in filth and malnutritioned, then the parents have plenty of warning to clean the house and put food in the house. There is nothing they can do if they don’t see it.
According to you, it is better that the children stay with their bio parents. I remember 2 times (out of the 150+ children we had in and out of our home) that the children were sent back to their bio parents and ended up dead within a yr. So are you saying that it is better for the child to die a horrible early death than to live in a loving home that has no blood connection to them?
Do you really believe that I would have been better off staying with my mother?
Possibly, depending on how her case was handled. You haven’t given nearly enough info – like, for example, the reason for her negligence.
Do you still live in Indianapolis? What county? Were these cases reported in the papers? I’m curious to know more – especially about how the cases played out.
So are you saying that it is better for the child to die a horrible early death than to live in a loving home that has no blood connection to them?
Funny, but I can’t see that statement anywhere in Joey’s comment.
Me, I don’t have a high opinion of people who will lie about parents, who will twist financial difficulties into unfit parenting (MI, among many examples), who will quibble about things such as having a sinkful of dirty dishes or giving a toddler a pacifier (Washington state), who will take children because the mother saw a shrink years ago (UK), who will twist playground injuries (CA) or congenital diseases (Washington D.C.) into signs of abuse, who will refuse to tell a mother details when her child has broken bones while in foster care (NYC), who will take an infant on vague claims of “failure to bond” (GA), and so on, and so forth.
So are you saying that it is better for the child to die a horrible early death than to live in a loving home that has no blood connection to them?
Yep, I was right on when I stated accurately that you are a brainwashed member of the Foster Care Cult. Evidence of this is in the fact that you stoop to irrational levels of thought to justify WHO YOU ARE — a product of the state foster care system.
People raised in an environment will often defend their benefactors — the ones who gave them food to eat, etc., a form of Stockholm syndrom if you will. You defend the system, you know the one that kidnaps children and such and manages the handling of them — for a fee. There was a price over your head from the beginning. Why do you think it was so tough for your mom to fight for her children over what was clearly an accident. Was she abusive before this ordeal? Did the state succeed in breaking her? Did she become alcoholic after her little tryst with state kidnapping and battling with the state in court?
You say she literally stabbed your brother numerous times — but somehow avoided jail. I think someone’s pulling your leg. I think you’re a little brainwashed. As I said, stay in your cult. But whatever you do, when you become a professional kidnapping social worker, following the path of those who raised you, please stay in Indiana.
By the way, I’m sorry you were injured as a baby.
Wow Joey your mother must have brainwashed you as well to believe that all people in the state foster care system are cult like. She teach you to hate blacks, mexicans, and any other person not of your race as well? As for me I’ve not been in the system and have loving bio parents, but I agree with the one who was a part of the system. Not all foster parents are bad and some have wonderful loving experiences. All the crap that has happened to kids in the system can happen to them out of the system with the bio parents. Some social workers are there to help and some not just with any parent. Some good some bad, sounds like you had a bad one to raise you to discriminate. Who are you to tell someone that what happened to them did or did not, you’re not everywhere and thank god for that b/c you seem like a nutjob racist.
WHO YOU ARE is someone that lives in a tiny world that thinks they have it all figured out, boy will you be sorry when you don’t and hopefully no one you’re close to has to pay the price for it. But lets not forget karma…..
R- If you look at the message Joey wrote after me, you will see that he is saying that!!
Yea Taylin!!!!!!! Its about time someone who has some sense writes in!!!!!!!
No one said that my mother did not do jail time. She did do some but postpardom is a bitch!!!!!! She was a worthless piece of crap. I made that decision all on my known. Actually my mom knew my bio mother yet never told me anything about her. I had to find out on my own.
I never said that I was only taking one side. That is where I am ticked off because no one else is seeing both sides. That includes you. Yes I grew up in a foster home but adopted as one of their own with other foster children in and out of our own. My mother always worked in some department with the government. We were upper middle class. Now I am a single mother of a special needs 2 yr old. I am a stay at home mom who lives in the projects. I’m on TANF, foodstamp, SSI, and Medicaid. I’m now in the poverty level. According to others who have commented here, all of these are grounds for CPS to come in and take my child from me. Yet there is not even a hint of them bothering me, I am highly respected in my community, and very active in ever part of my son’s life including the background things (such as policy councils)
I can’t believe that you honestly believe that a child should go thru a long painful death than to be safe. As long as blood is with blood!!!!
Now who is the sick one?
It was not in Indy. But I have seen my hospital records that states my injuries.
Well, D’Lee, you never addressed the question of whether you and your siblings were wrongfully removed in the first place…
I was removed because of my head injury and on that instance the other two were removed because of neglect. My bio mother left a 11 yr old to raise a 1 yr old and 3 month old . The 11 yr old neglected us prior to the incident but it was the mothers fault. How could she expect her to take care of two infants when she still needed to be taken care of
Was the 11 year old caring for you when the head injury occurred? How long was the 11 year old left to care for the two infants?
What I’m seeing is a case of stacking the deck by CPS to achieve their goal, which often is to take children from their mothers.
How can you sit there and say that it is CPS’s fault that my bio mother was too lazy to get her ass out of bed and watch her own children?!
The 11 yr old was always in charge of us. When a parent had no other choice but to step in (like going to the store or to the doctors) was the only time our bio mother had anything to do with us!!!!!!
Matter fact, she was in her room and refused to come out the whole time that the police and ambulance was there. I suppose that that was CPS’s fault as well.
You are what is wrong with this world. Too many people refuse to take blame for their own problems. They are just too quick to blame someone. At some time in our lives we have to grow up and say yea I messed up and this is what I need to do to make things better. My bio mother was a lazy self centered woman who I thank God everyday of my life that I was taken from. You are one of the sickest people I know because of the fact that you believe that it is ok for a child to die a long painful death when there are things that could be different.
We have to make decisions everyday that affect many people. It is what we do in our lives that makes our life experience good or bad. If we chose to beat our children or starve them or bring people into our homes that abuse them or even abuse them ourselves, then we have to take responsibilty for the conciquences that come from those actions.
That’s uncalled for. I never suggested I believe that it’s “ok for a child to die a long painful death.”
Have you asked your brother and sister if they would have preferred to be placed in foster care and sever all ties to their mother, and become estranged to her? What did they say?
Do you believe that all children who are cared for by their siblings more than their mothers should be removed from their mothers’ house regardless of imminent danger (which doesn’t include freak accidents, BTW) or what the children want?
you did say that!!!!!! You said that the child is better off with the bio parents even if they are abused to the point that they die as long as the are around blood.
It is hard for a grown adult to take care of 2 infants. A child should not have their childhood robbed just because the parents are too lazy to take care of their own resposibilities. The parents laid down and had those kids not an 11 yr old.
Ok, I’ll take that as a yes. Let CPS know, will ya? And the tax payers too. From now on whenever an 11 year old is spotted caring for her siblings, CPS has a mandate to go in and remove all the children.
As for your claim that I said something, can you please quote me directly instead of paraphrasing what you think I said? Thanks.
Look out families of America, the born and bred child of the state has come to take your children, because only the state knows when a childhood is “robbed.” Better to rob the child then let the childhood get “robbed.” Ridiculous.
So are you saying that it is better for the child to die a horrible early death than to live in a loving home that has no blood connection to them?
Yep
That was your answer to my question.
I still can’t believe that you think that it is ok for a mother who to be too lazy to even come out the room from sleeping when her 3 month old was just hit in the head and make her kid deal with the police and ambulances. How can anyone justify that?
oh by the way, you are so against the system but you are telling me that I need to report an 11 yr old taking care of sibling. Isn’t that contradicting? Either way I would have to. We all have the duty to report a child in danger but I really have to because of the fact that I sit on one policy commity and am the president of another. I would not hesitate reporting someone who is putting their children in danger.
Do you have any children that live with you?
Have you ever had to personally deal with CPS?
Who called the police and ambulances?
For the record, in case it’s not clear, I don’t believe it’s better for a child to “die a horrible death.”
your right it isn’t necessarily putting children in imminent danger but it isn’t healthy. But either way it did put us in imminent danger. She wasn’t properly taking care of us in many ways.
I am with my child everyday all day. I sit on two commities. One meets for 1 hr a month and the other for 6 hrs every 3 months. I sit on these commities because I want my child to be the best he can be. I feel like I can not expect my child to do what he is expected to do without knowing what the world expects from him. There are many laws and rules that I don’t agree with and this gives me the opportunity to voice my opinion on. I care about my son’s future that is why I do what I do.
I do not believe that I know best or that I know it all. I learn new things everyday. My problem with you is that you are so close minded that you are not able to see all sides. I agree there are some bad CPS workers. I agree that there are stupid laws out there. I believe that there are bad foster parents. But the good ones and the lives they have saved are worth it. No matter what you do or how you live there is someone who is the “bad apple”. It is just a way of life.
Oh by the way, I have accomplished some changes because of my position that have actually improved the process and lives for our children. I speciallize in special need children. Being the mother of a special needs child, I understand all too well how much our hands are tied because of certain rules and laws. It is hard enough to do my motherly duties when we are only allowed so much. Anything I can do to make my family’s and others like us life easier I am more than happy to do.
I would like to hear your opinion on something. Truely your opinion with no sarcasim. I have just became aware of a family that lives in the projects with 3 kids, ages 4,3, and 15 months. By laws of the projects once a year they come in our home to do inspections to make sure that we are keeping our homes clean and kept up. Those who do the inspection can come in your home whether you are there or not (in our lease). These people walked into this families house. The smell about knocked them over so he immediatly left the house and went and got the supervisor. When they entered the house completely, they find the walls covered in feces and trash everywhere. They go upstairs to find the children covered in feces. Mind you both time they were there no supervision was present. I was told by neighbors that they NEVER seen the kids outside but they would be banging on the windows at people during the many times mom left the building to go down the street. No one reported it because of their fear of CPS. The children were immediatly removed from the house. The mother was never in jail for any of this and once she cleaned her house her children were returned.
Was it wrong to remove these kids?
Was it right that she was not charged?
Was it right that the children were put back into the situation?
By the way this was a bio mom, not a foster mom.
R- If you look at the message Joey wrote after me, you will see that he is saying that!!
No, he isn’t, as he himself has made clear.
I’m on TANF, food stamps, SSI, and Medicaid. I’m now in the poverty level. According to others who have commented here, all of these are grounds for CPS to come in and take my child from me. Yet there is not even a hint of them bothering me,
First of all, I never said that happens to all low-income parents. But it has happened to some. All of those incidents I mentioned were real. A couple in Michigan temporarily decide to put their young son in foster care. But eventually they are ruled unfit parents, and the boy (and, later, his little brother) are adopted out to a woman who kills him. A young woman in the UK, pregnant with her first child, is threatened with having her child taken from her at birth because she was treated for psychological problems as a teenager. She eventually decides to leave the country and moves to Sweden. A couple in Washington had a daughter with drug problems. The daughter’s child was taken from her and given to the grandparents. But later on, the department changes their mind and tries to adopt the child out to another woman. They fill their reports about the grandparents with lies and criticism about insignificant things, such as the fact that the grandparents gave the girl a pacifier. A woman in New York had a son in foster care; the boy got his skull cracked, but she was never notified by caseworkers; it was only by sheer accident that she learned about it happening. When she asked questions about it, she got silence, and she eventually resorted to retaining a lawyer to try to get answers about the boy’s injury.
And CPS workers sometimes seem to display a hive mentality, not wanting to believe that their comrades are capable of doing anything wrong. I have seen one accuse me of “spreading propaganda” when I posted a link about the Logan Marr case (google it) from a Maine newspaper. Another person showed up to defend a foster mother who left a baby to bake in a car, calling her a “responsible person.”
Also, D’lee, you might want to read this whole thread. One poster upthread posted a list of children who have died while in CPS custody, and while a percentage of those seem to be natural deaths, it’s still something you should look at.
Another person showed up to defend a foster mother who left a baby to bake in a car, calling her a “responsible person.”
Actually, that’s also on this thread – see Jennifer on 11-18-08
I’m not saying bad things happen. They do. But there are other things that go bad when the children are returned. There was this woman who made her kid sick to the point where she almost killed her mulitiple time. The child was removed and finally placed with grandmother. Grandmother ended up killing the girl because she had the same disease the mother had. Not too long ago there was a case in Kokomo where CPS had been informed of possible abuse many times at this one families house. Everytime they went they saw no evidence of wrong doing (thanks to the rule of having to make appointments). By the grace of God police were in the same house and found 2 children who were forced to live in closets tied up with little food and water.
The system is not purfect but nothing is.
Like I have said before we had over 150 children in and out of our home as foster children. NONE died in our care but 2 have died because of being returned to an unhealthy environment. There are good and bad that happens. My point is to let others see the other side of things.
There was this woman who made her kid sick to the point where she almost killed her multiple time. The child was removed and finally placed with grandmother. Grandmother ended up killing the girl because she had the same disease the mother had.
What disease did this woman have?
Munchausen syndrome
Look it up
For what it’s worth, I agree that there are lots of sincere foster parents who do great service by taking in children who have no where else to go. But many kids have “no where to go” only because CPS stepped in when they were not, in fact, needed.
Munchausen by proxy like shaken baby syndrome does not exist.
FYI, for the lady above who keeps harping on how natural biological parents always kill their children, she should take note recent reports, e.g. the Strayhorn report in Texas among many others, that point out that children are FOUR TIMES more likely to DIE in foster homes, yes in foster homes, then in non-foster homes.
Ms. D’Lee has annecdotal evidence, whereas we, who have observed the mass kidnapping and abuse of 432 FLDS children by the state of Texas, know the facts.
Blood ties first!! Honor your father and your mother!
Joey, I have read all entries and I don’t see anything about a woman saying that all children die with the bio parents. Where is that and who are you talking about?
They took those children because 1st off the parents were breaking the law by having multiple wives and all the underage married people. 2nd they did freak and went to far in this instance but unfortunatly they have to keep public relations on good standings. The public at first wanted those children to be pulled so that definatly had something to do with it.
Munchausen by proxy like shaken baby syndrome does not exist.
Are you serious. Shaken baby syndrome doesn’t exist. People shake their babies to the point that they at the very least cause bruises on their brains from the brain slaming into the skull. At the very most snap their neck. This is medically proven. And I have seen it first hand, not only with the case I mentioned above but one of my clients actually suffer from it. She needs attention so badly that she is constantly making her kids sick so that everyone feels sorry for her and the children. It happens
Kurt- I agree with you. No matter what profession there will always be really good ones, ones just there, and ones that are bad.
I would like to know exactly where that statistic came from that stated that children are 4 times more likely to die in foster care than in biological homes. If this is true then don’t you think the government would step in and do something about that?
No, government don’t care unless it makes them more popular or richer. There are exceptions in all cases. We should ban the words FOSTER and BIOLOGICAL PARENTS. If you are a good parent depends on what you do, NOT on whether you adopt or give birth. All the statistics don’t mean a thing on an individual basis, they can’t prove you’re right or wrong.
This particular “4 times” statistics doesn’t mean a thing.
It compares foster children to normal (average) children.
The proper comparison is between foster children and children with SIMILARLY BAD BIRTH HOME SITUATION who were not removed.
Joey and I had an exchange over this matter, on this blog. Wish I could find that thread.
martie I agree with you it doesn’t matter if you gave birth to a child or not. My mother is a good mom to both her adopted kids and her biological kid.
Seem like alot of entries are now gone. I wonder why
The bad birth homes are usually horrible deaths that is not always the case in foster care. Some of the deaths are due to the homes they came from as well as things that some bad foster homes do.
The more children they have in the system the more money it costs the government so it is not making them richer to take the children from their homes.
Not sure about the death rate, but here’s a study that shows adverse effects and compares among similar homes:
Joseph J. Doyle, an economist with the Sloan School of Management at M.I.T., found that children removed from their parents and taken into foster care, even for a relatively short period, were three times as likely to grow up to be juvenile offenders or have a teenage pregnancy than were children from similarly troubled homes who had been left with their parents.
link
Government thrives on putting children in the system. That’s how CPS bureaucrats can stand up in congress and demand more funding because “look we can’t deal with the workload…all these new kids in the system, etc.”, and then go on to give themselves a raise. Meanwhile CPS workers and Rangers pat themselves on the back and congratulate themselves on their overtime pay and job security.
See this is the kind of ignorance I am talking about. No matter how much they fight for more money, they don’t get it except for when the government raises the cost of living. If you work in a nonprofit organization you are not by law allowed to receive bonuses. For years now they have been so overwhelmed. That is part of the problem. They can’t deal with all the cases they have and there are so little foster homes now compared to even 10 years ago that there is simply just no where to put the kids if they do take them. That is why they try not to take the children unless they have to. I know a couple of families that I believe that the children should be removed from the home because they are in danger but instead CPS works with them to make the situation tolerable for the children.
And the study you mentioned above opens a whole new topic. There are many factors in there that he has not addressed. One in paticular is the fact that the children are many times put on ADHD meds because they think it is a medical reason for the way they act. Many kids are misdiagnosed. NDD is one reason to explain how they are acting. (Nutritional Deficientcy Disorder) Another reason is their upbringing. Did you know that children who take meds for ADHD or ADD are more likely to commit petty crimes, suffer from depression, and have drug or alcohol addictions? Plus you can’t say that they are similar situation because there was probably more in the children who are removed. At the very least it shows the children that there is something wrong in the house when they are removed and they become angry at their parents or the parents put things in their heads to make them angry at CPS. Just like drug dealers will teach their kids that police are bad. Environment has alot to do with things.
All of this is likened to the Guatemala child trafficking ring, using the “good name” of Social Services as a front…. to steal children, to place them with people that can’t have them, and “bend the laws” to obtain them.
The FBI needs to be alerted. Legislature knows about it, it funds money into each state. They turn a blind eye, with a wink and a nod, to make up for the deficits. Don’t know why everyone thinks they are helpless. Everyone has Social Services cornered with every legal indictment and Constitutional infringement possible. There’s federal court, Grand jury, torte claims, (to include their “significant other”) and absolute zero immunity to any peace officer, social worker, attorney, or judge involved.
It’s very simple. And, retribution and damages are enormous, for irreparable damage, and all of the above face life in prison. Just for the heck of it, do a background check on the social workers, the foster care, etc. it’s free public knowledge. Your local court will give you access to computers and show you how…. then, do a search on the Judges and their spouses, and their special interest affiliations. Surprise surprise surprise. This is the FBI’s job. DO NOT LET THEM TELL YOU OTHERWISE. If they say they can’t get involved… ask them to send you their denial in writing. Contact your attorney General, Assemblyman, Senators, and Governors. Do the same with them. Historically, they will tell you it’s not their job, but it is. If they pass you off to an Ombudsman, give them the same grievance. Keep copies of everything. Illegal acts are still illegal acts. No matter what title one wears. PS, every person you apprise of your grievance becomes a party to the cause and accountable for their lack of action.
Nice work dude, keep it up and keep on updating your site.
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